joslyn barnes are you produced this film. work so unusual for you that you wanted to be a part of this project? >> just want to clarify, i produced a film with ramell andsue kim. i think of the documentary as an encounter. one of the unusual elements of this film is not the centrality of the african-american perspective, but a completely new imaging of african-americans. it really takes a part the historical -- it brings the historical to bear on it, but it also takes it apart. part of it -- the strategy was really in the editing process. it is the looking and interracial aspect of the looking that ramell for that open up a space of reflection for the viewer to enter and either make sense of their own experience or coming to something new. so he opened up space. it works in a kind of narrow logical way where -- neurological way where you can follow the grammar of the film, but it also undermines the way that you have been conditioned to look. it is poetic and metaphorical. -- that lets you drop your some of your conditioned r