it's all very well to say journalism benefits more from facebook than facebook does from journalism but facebook and other tech giants have really up ended the information ecosystem with really devastating effects for democracy in parts of the world as well as news organizations and so there has to be a recess and this it's not just about economics in the sense of what is the value of x. compared to y. there's a moral and ethical responsibility to support the public interest journalism that has collapsed partly as a result of google and facebook as 2 companies sucking up 80 percent of digital advertising in a strength i just i'm going to come in there too i'm going to come to court in a 2nd but i just want to come back on that but the problem with this law as you've acknowledged is that there's this concentrated kind of news scene in australia with what is it news corp fairfax and 7 network they stand to benefit from this but while the smaller set ups the kind of the town the small town publishes if you like they'll just go to the wall when they. not necessarily because i mean googl

it is all very well to say journalism benefits more from facebook than facebook does from journalism. facebook and other tech giants have really upended the information ecosystem, with really devastating effects for democracy and parts of the world, as well as news organizations. there has to be a reset. it is not just about economics in the sense of what is the value of x compared to wide. there is a moral and ethical responsibility to support public interest journalism, which has collapsed partly as a result of google and facebook sucking up 80% of digital advertising in australia. anchor: i am going to come to courtney in a second. the problem with this law as you have a knowledge -- acknowledged . news corporation, fairfax, they stand to benefit from this. but while the smaller sectors will go to the wall, what they? >> not necessarily. google is promising agreements to some of the smaller publishers. this points to two things. one is to acknowledge, which have not really come up this debate properly yet, the real problem of disinformation in an environment where doors organizatio

i'm the professor of journalism here at the university of oregon school of journalism and communication. i'm here with my former students and we've got an incredible story to tell you. i've got the headline noted. fourth graders, cold war, fbi, russia, oregon and this amazing book. classroom 50, how they censored the dreams of innocent fourth-graders. it started winter term in an advanced reporting class. before you tell that tail, introduce yourselves briefly because your biographies are already just too long. who are you, julia? >> [inaudible] from the university of oregon school of journalism communication in june. right now i am taking a pandemic class. for this project i was the managing editor. and zach, who are you? >> i am also a graduate from the university with degrees in journalism and political science but now i am a reporter on the oregon coast for the world newspaper and for classroom 15 i was what we termed the lead reporter so i offered a couple chapters and did a bunch of reporting you will hear about today. >> and julia you served as the managing editor of classroom 15

so, it's possible that she had some other journals that just didn't survive. >> do you keep a journal or diary? >> i actually do and i started when i was so young. i think i was in third grade. it's one of those little diaries that had the key. [laughter] >> and do you keep a journal or diary? >> i still do. it's soothing for me to kind of collect my thoughts about things. it's a way for me to process what my life is. >> do you think that it is a lost art? do you see it coming back? >> i think based on what i've seen in stores when there are journals galore, that is such a private thing. it's hard to know exactly how many people are engaging and it but people must be doing it because there are beautiful journals when you go to the store you can see. >> i want to talk just a little bit more about the journals. so, what do you say to young people or even older people, do you encourage people to do it and why should we do it? >> i think it's important for people to have a space where they have time with themselves to document what they are feeling, what their experiences are. one of the

of journalism and medication. i'm here with my former student, julia and zach and we have got an incredible story to tell you and i got the headlines here noted, fourth-graders, cold war, fbi, russia, rural oregon and penpals. and this amazing book, "classroom 15" how the hoover fbi censored the dreams of innocents oregon fourth-graders. it all started for us winter term, 2019 in an advanced reporting class and before you tell that tale please, the two of you, julia and zach, introduce yourselves briefly because your biographies are already just too long so who are you, julia? >> i graduated the university of oregon school of journalism medication in june and right now i'm taking a pandemic gap year and i'm working as a french and english teacher and also the organization coach and applying to journalism grad schools and so for this project as managing editor and also co-authored [inaudible] >> zach, who are you? >> i am zach and i am also a 2020 graduated from the university of oregon with degrees in journalism a

let's talk about the journal, diary. i don't know whether to call it a diary or journal, what is the difference, you tell me what words you use, where is her is now? >> guest: she donated her works to the university of chicago archives but it has also been published by marianne willis who adds a lot, background information about what i do was talking about but before marianne published her book i have a copy of her diary. interesting to me to see her hands writing. when looking for diary, she wrote in the margins, a normal paragraph and along the side of the margins, in between the lines. it was interesting to see the original of the diary. >> how many of this are they talking about? >> it is a little over 100 pages. >> when did she keep it? from what age she started? >> about two years. >> then she stopped, the journal after that. >> that is really when we have. unfortunately, there were a couple incidents my grandmother told me about, there were mysterious fires. it is possible she had some other journalist sectors tha

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so how do we do journalism in this situation? the short answer is trust. we rely on the trust of sources, many from within the regime who provide us with information at great risk to themselves. overland closer ties than ever than journalist and civil society, carries out shadow reporting at great peril. we walk on the trust of our audiences that continue to look to us for honest information. so looking forward, what do journalists need to keep operating this kind of environment? in two in hants their work? we can focus on tools and training to optimize the capability of journalists and readers which are important. we can focus on mitigating the negative impact of big tech platforms and economic sustainability. which is important for it we can list the number of important initiatives from different animals like rocky mentioned there's no silver bullet. but i will leave it at this, journalists, and most importantly users patient and ecosystem are imagined and shaped pre-perhaps then the public of stopping treated as subjects order being treated as agents. >

we kind of got the fundamental scale problemwith journalism . first, there's just more lies of their. and it's hard to keep up with the bad actors. it's a bit of a game of lacrimal and is particularly true in western european areas. wewill hear from audrey on and likewise , it's a bit of a local problem and that's trust. we can use to roads, because of these concerted efforts malign actors, i think people might still gravitate towards the dark side even if the economicsituation authorities. the second bucket , countering malicious actors, i think largely involves setting and enforcing policy regarding what acceptable behavior online. and it's no secret that malicious actors go to great lengths to reach their audiences and . their constantly seeking new innovative ways to manipulate media. and i think the challenges are also twofold. one, just staying ahead of bad actors. a lot of the these actors are states. state actors who are have a lot of money to throw at the problem but others are smaller actors malicious pr firms are quite nimble and it's

and if i'm going to do journalism i am definitely going to run a journalism visa and you have a lot more protections and there's no real reason not to but it's a very different story if you go on a journalism visa it automatically lies you to the police. the moment you arrive you will be followed and stopped a lot and probably held in detention to waste your time and prevent you from getting any recording done. while you have a lot of protections on a journalism visa you really have to find creative ways to cheat the police. one said he would check hotels and multiple cities or counties and you have to do things like that to get around. i decided to go on a tourism visa so that i wouldn't get tracked, and that worked. i stuck pretty closely to the tourist sites there is a beautiful watertown, but just a ten minute drive away there's a compound of labor camps. you drive ten minutes away and you see guards and barbed wires and you really don't have to even longer far to come across them. >> host: since you went on a tourist visa, were you fearful if they found out that you were doing actua

another big theme was journalism. so when janis came to town for the first time, we got to , i got to interview her for a second time. the first time she was in las vegas with another reporter and i interviewed her when she came to eugene and i talked to her more about the broader scope of her life and interestingly enough it seemed at the start as though janis was the kindling and there was a whole other story separate from her particular narrative but as it turns out , her life story kind of has this connection to a lot of the other things in the story. it is all very serendipitous. there's a massive team of journalism, she herself wanted to be ajournalist . her story to working at a clerks office later in her life and working to pursue news as a career . we are student journalists working on this project who uncovered something we had found through the new york times and through a local paper so it's this multilayered meta-theme of journalism throughout. but once janis came to town i wrote a chapter to try and conn

if you're doing -- if i was going to do journalism in europe i'm definitely going on a journalism visa. you have more protections and a lot of times a publisher would want you to and there is no reason not to. but in china it's a different story. if you go on a journalism visa it automatically flies you to the police. from the moment you arrive you are going to get followed and stopped a lot. you're going to probably be held in detention just to waste your time and prevent you from getting any reporting done. while you have a lot of protections as a foreign journalist on a journalism visa, you have to find very creative ways to trick the police. i know one reporter said he would book hotels and multiple cities or multiple counties at the same time to confuse the police about where he was staying that night. you have to do things like that to get around. i ultimately decided to go on a tourism visa so that i wouldn't get tracked and that worked. i stuck pretty closely to the big tourist sites. for example, people say it's the venice of china, it's a beautiful ancient watertown but just

there is only right that what has happened to journalism schools and to the practice of journalism over the past few decades has really been appalling for one thing the best and the brightest don't tend to go into journalism the school of journalism is usually right down there sadly with the school of education the school social work in terms of the academic qualifications and so forth of the people who are there but secondly you look at what schools of journalism teach and it has almost nothing to do with any actual subject that the journalist is going to be covering it is a battle that isn't right very well excuse me but they can't even write very well these days i'm sorry keep going no you're absolutely right they don't teach writing they don't teach anything really and so people are covering science you have no background in science people are covering economics up no background in economics who do not understand the 1st thing about what they're writing about and in addition to that they are indoctrinated with these attitudes about social justice and so forth that they bring into th

what matters is the caliber of the journalism that we're practicing. journalism on a mobile device, a desk top, a laptop, you name it. it doesn't have to be in a physical newspaper and doing it digitally means we're going to reach more people and it also means we can use more of the tools that are now available to us such as video, interactive graphics, such as animation. that makes for very powerful storytelling. >> more ways to tell more stories. finally, i asked baron to debunk some misconceptions about "the washington post." what's the reality? >> i think there's a perception of the people that work here are elitist, that we went to el least colleges, grew up on the east coast or the west coast, all of that. that's just -- those are stereotypes. that's a myth. we have people from all corners of america who have had all different sorts of life experiences. we have people who have been combat veterans, grew up in evangelical homes, grew up on family farms and small rural communities. you name it. so i think there's a stereotypical perception of who w

system of white minority rule that cash for coverage scandal cast a long shadow over south african journalism a lot has changed since then this story is about what hasn't the old habits 'd die hard ringback our starting point this week is joined. ringback once again south africans find themselves watching an examination of their past through a judicial inquiry the zon documents. it is led by and named for the deputy chief justice of the supreme court its mandate is to investigate government corruption commonly referred to in south africa as capture of president jacob zuma has been ordered to appear testify before the state i take me on. a constitutional . right but the commission i think mine they capture media companies were not supposed to be at the heart of the investigation but they keep coming out former president jacob zuma has a relationship with. an indian born family that owned a t.v. channel and a newspaper was one of the alleged conflicts that led to the judicial inquiry former president jacob zuma his involvement in this government of the china was created. at bain prior to the co

amelia: it's a huge difference . ... ... >> and if i am going to do journalism i will definitely do arnalism these are because you have a lot more protection and a lot of times the publication would want you to and there's no reason not to but in china it's a different story. if you go on a journalism visa is automatically linked to the prairies on - - the police you will get followed and stopped a lot and probably held in detention just to waste your time and prevent you from getting any reporting done. and while you have a lot of protections in china as a journalism visa you have to find very creative ways to track the police one reporter said he would book hotels in multiple cities or multiple counties at the same time to confuse the police where he was staying that night and do things like that to get around. ultimately i decided to go on a tourism visa so i could not get tracked. i stuck closely to the big tourist sites in this beautiful ancient watertown but just a ten minute drive away for the whole compound of labor camps you just drive ten minutes away and you see barbed wire

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a journalism visa. you have more protection and there's a lot of times the publication, the publisher will -- there's no reason not to. but in china it's a very different story. if you go on a journalism visa it automatically flags you to the police for the moment you arrive you'll get followed, stopped a lot, going to probably be held in detention just to waste your time and prevent you from getting any reporting done, and it's -- while you have a lot of protections as foreign journalist in china on a journalism visa, it is -- you have to find very creative ways to check -- trick the police. one reporter said he would book hotels in multiple cities or multiple counties at the same time to confuse the police about where he was staying that night. and just you need to do things like that to get around. i decided to go on a tourism visa so that i wouldn't get tracked, and that worked. i went -- i stuck pretty close to big tourist sites. in shanghai, which people say is known as the venice of china, this b

so that is why broadcast journalism was the place to be. interviewer: you talked about some of the places journalism has taken you through travels, do you have a memorable moment throughout your career? representative salazar: every time somebody asks me that, i think about the lady in ecuador who had leprosy. i am sure you have never seen somebody who had leprosy or who suffers from that disease. i was going into a restaurant after i worked all day and i had just sent my package via satellite at that time, you had to go to a place and send it. now, you do it digitally. and i was walking into this restaurant and i saw this lady, this girl around six or seven years old, and she was carrying a baby. and i said you are a baby carrying another baby, where is your mom? as you pointed, and the mama was half a block away, and i said, let's talk to your mom, typical journalist, let me go talk to your mom. and the mom was all wrapped up. she looked as a big bundle, all covered, her face and her body. and i said senora, i couldn't understand how she

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>> i was glad to see the issue i know you just got a new journalism job.i'm not going to get you into any trouble here. [laughter] >> i will say you mentioned the piece work before that was like a core issue. i related to that as a freelancer so many were on contracts but it's precarious. i think a lot of people can relate. even though they are working full time, the circumstances are thinner and limited for many people than i think they should be. there are a lot of folks that have been working on this for a long time and there's some momentum changed. >> nowadays it would be easier to organize white-collar workers and blue-collar workers. >> you think about the school teachers, civil servants, librarians there's been a lot of union organizing. >> any of the college town folks that are listening to this. >> i literally felt the hurt their. you can probably guess what they used the picture of. >> it doesn't even count anymore. >> there were people living there just a few years ago. >> i do notice it's 7:00 so i would defer to you. >> we are at the top of t

friends australia but that does not answer the question who will pay for news content and quality journalism to talk about that that should down down under i'm joined tonight by 2 media insiders from new york jeff jarvis is a journalism professor at city university of new york he's a blogger at buzz machine dot com he has also written several books including what would google do and matthew ingram writes about digital media for the columbia journalism review his piece out today is entitled google and facebook grapple with news publishers as all straight you have becomes a test case gentlemen to both of you welcome to the program matthew let me start with you how did all stray you've become as you write ground 0 in the battle over who pays for news. well australia took laws that have been advanced in countries like france and germany and took a an extra step so they made a stronger version of those types of laws and i think that's really concentrated well you can tell it's concentrated the attention of both google and facebook and they're doing everything in their power to get australia to ch

and make sure that good journalism stays alive by forcing these companies to pay for it while google's kind of gone along with that so far they've already struck a $30000000.00 a day 0 a year deal with one company they're working on deals with other companies but facebook facebook decided it's not going to do that so instead this morning australians wake up and what they find is that all new sites have been removed from the all facebook in australia there is no journalism there is no new sites at all but then basically gone a step further they've actually removed a lot of government agencies as well and that includes things like for instance. the bureau of meteorology was taken down state health departments were taken down emergency service pages were all taken down now throughout the day facebook started to restore some of that but essentially what they did was they came in and said if you're a government agency you don't get to be on facebook because you're making us pay for journalism that's on our site so that's essentially what happened they started to roll it back but i got to te

were there other competing journals >> i am so glad. those are all great questions and i can't wait to answer them. i was hoping somebody would ask me. she originally went to "mccall's" because she had a relationship with "mccall's" that dated back to the 1930s. they had serialized the first volume of her memoirs "this is my story" and it had been very successful. so the column grew out of that. the editors wanted to keep that relationship going, right? this is the first lady. so they started up in '41 and it went until '49. in '49 there was a little tiff and the presenting issue was the second volume of eleanor roosevelt's memoirs "this is my story." at that time, "ladies home journal" was edited by a husband and wife team bruce gould and beatrice blackmar gould and bruce gould when you read his correspondence and the memoir that he left, he comes across as a little bit kind of pompous to tell you the truth. and he's read this book and he doesn't like it. he tells her that, ha. this reads like you wrote it while you were riding a bicyc

welcome to washington journal. guest: thank you. my kids communist weingarten host: how many members do you have, what types of educators do you represent? guest: we have about 1.7 million members, and over 200,000 of them are working in health care facilities as respiratory therapists and hospitalers. about one million of them work in pre-k through 12, public schools. florida, that is pre-k-12. and the remainder are in public services including correction officers. the people who watch our water, to lawyers. and we are the largest higher education union from adjuncts to full-time tenured professors. host: as you alluded to, you come as a former teacher. during the pandemic, what has been the most common complaint issue that you from your members, your member teachers, your teacher members across the country? guest: teachers are used to doing it all, and frankly we represent a lot of rural and urban systems. people in those systems from lh chicago to new york city, i taught in brooklyn for the health professions, which was a career

journalism on the program spanish police face a 2nd night of. the release of. terrorism and insulting the royal family. humanitarian emergency signal the european union store still talks to the refugees stranded. with croatia hears from forces who say. perseverance paid off the space agency prepares its rovers for the most daunting. task control will be 70 minutes of terror. i'm from welcome to the program. facebook has blocked access has blocked a news content from its platform in australia the latest twist in a heated dispute with the government australia is considering legislation to force tech companies to pay for the journalism they carry facebook and google have been fighting the proposals because they say they don't reflect the way the internet works but facebook's action came just hours after google reached a deal with australian news companies. many australians woke to a surprise this morning facebook at unfriended them suddenly they couldn't access local and international news through the social media site it's a dramatic escalation of a conflict over

why did she go from the journal to mccaul's? what kind of magazine was my calls, what kind of demographic did it appeal to? who was reading that particular magazine? third question was was there any competition to have her as a colonists or did she have to fight to get into mccaul's, or was there any competing journals? >> i'm so glad. those are all good questions. i was hoping somebody would ask me. she originally meant went to my calls because she had a relationship in the calls the data back into the 1930s. they had serialized the first volume of her memoirs, this is her story. it had been very successful. so that the column kind of grew out of that. the editors wanted to keep that relationship going, because it's the first lady. they started up with an important one, and in 49 there was a little tiff. the issue was the second issue of mueller roosevelts memoirs, this is my story. and that time it was edited by a husband wife team bruce and be interest gold. bruce gould, when you read his correspondents and the memoir that he

washington journal continues.tuning out this morning's the justice department reporter with the wall street journal here to talk about merrick garland's confirmation hearing this morning that will get underway at 9:30 a.m. eastern time. the headline of your piece this morning, just as picks -- justice pick merrick garland promised to confront violence. guest: the fact that he is even getting a hearing today is pretty stunning and intriguing because five years ago when president obama nominated him to the supreme court, republicans did not even meet with him. now the pressure is really on for bidens attorney general picked because of the heightened threat of domestic terrorism and extremism after the january 5 riot. republicans are also going to ask how he plans to address other forms of violence such as the kind we saw over the summer during the social justice protests in places like portland and seattle. he will also be hard-pressed to study the justice department after years of political turmoil. the pressure is

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at that time, the journal was edited by a pediatrician black marigold. and bruce cooled, when you read his correspondence and you read the memory that he left, he comes across as a little bit -- he's read this book and he doesn't like it. he tells her that this reads like you wrote it while you are writing a bicycle on the way to a fire. and you think about this. she's talking about the second volume of her memoirs that deals with a tonight or where eight house. but you know, this is also one of the things that i was fine so interesting. people -- eleanor contemporary, she thought she was very forthright and very honest and very -- she was slide putting it out there. whereas, i think for us, when we read her memoirs and autobiography, we think gee, this is kind of bland. and i read it and i think, boy, she's not telling you the whole story. in fact, i am teaching a class dismissed or and having my students read the autobiography just to get a sense of the scope of illinois life and i spend 15 minutes every class time saying, look, i know this is what she

if you go on a journalism visa it automatically flies you to the police. the moment you arrive you will get stopped a lot, you will probably be held in detention just to waste your time and prevent you from getting reporting done. while you have a lot of protections on a journalism visa, you have to find very creative ways. i knew one that said they would book multiple hotels and at the same time and do things like that to get around. i decided to go on a tourism visa and that worked. i stuck pretty closely to the tourist rights which people say is known as a beautiful watertown, ancient watertown but a ten minute drive around there's a whole compound of labor camps. you know, you just drive ten minutes away and use the guards, using the barbed wire and you really don't have to go far to come across them. >> since you went on a tourist visa, were you fearful if they found out that you are doing actually journalism instead of tourism, would you be fearful of you would be detained or imprisoned or anything like that? >> i was nervous but i was pretty sure th

this is referring to the "wall street journal" report, 30% is approximate. there's many different types of attacks and threat vectors. we are not a security company per say, so we would not have detailed information about those types of threat vectors. what i can share is that discoveries that we have made with sun spot, can apply to any supply chain out there, and it's quite possible the their active supply chain attacks on going right now. some of which we know about. >> would you like to respond? >> george, go ahead. >> when you look at the supply chain attacks here, it's difficult, obviously to identify these things and when we look at the advesaries capabilities and we look at what was done as we talked about earlier. it's not an easy problem to solve. and you know, from my perspective, it's one that we have to come together. we have on continue to share intelligence and information and we have to realize that there are many other techniques and actors that are out there, and when you look at the overall landscape, you know, 30% more from solarwinds thi