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and then you may. >> please. >> go ahead, joyce.sh. >> so it would have been possible for the fbi to convert this into a criminal investigation. there was certainly a lot of pred case. they cou pred case. they could have used wiretaps. they could have taken an undercover investigation, sent fbi it's toout to investigate t campaign. any of these steps would have likely damaged the campaign. what did the fbi do? they took the least risky approach in terms of providing damage to the campaign. they sent in a source. the source talked to people on the campaign. it stayed hidden until long after the election. far from being an effort to conduct a political investigation where they would have put this information out to the public in advance of the election trying to damage the trump campaign. the fbi actually protected this investigation. >> yeah. >> withheld it from "the new york times" which ran an article just days ahead of the -- >> apologies. i can please respond? because you're really not -- >> okay. now -- guys, here's the deal. ke

joyce?arly trump is driven pretty nutty by what' standard operating procedure inside the justice department. quiet integrity and professionalism. and the reason that that's typical d.o.j. policy is because it avoids dragging people's name through the mud unfairly and it also avoids tampering and influencing investigations that aren't quite ready. trump doesn't like this. he wants to control the investigation and know what's going on. so, i hope the first time he approached jeff sessions, jeff sessions immediately called mueller and told him about it. certainly on times two, three and four because the picture that emerges is a president who believes that he is entitled to use the attorney general and the justice department to prosecute his enemies and protect himself. i don't know how much more clear it could be than this axios story, nicolle. >> you know, i think it really is starting to show a weakness in our country, which is we don't have an independent attorney general. i heard alan ders

joyce, thank you very much. sometimes on this show you feel like, as you're having a conversation with somebody, not only are you learning something but you're realizing, oh, i'm going to be looking at the internet machine tomorrow, and that exchange i just had with joyce vance is going to be everywhere all day. that was revelatory, what she just said about rod rosenstein and what must be his involvement at this point. that's actually the subject of our next story. stay with us. [whistling] hello. give me an hour in tanning room 3. cheers! that's confident. but it's not kayak confident. kayak searches hundreds of travel sites to help me plan the best trip. so i'm more than confident. forgot me goggles. kayak. search one and done. "i have antivirus, but my computer's still slow..." "i think it's time for the fixmestick." fixmestick is a plug-in virus removal device. it's the smart, simple way to clean an infected computer, with a whole lot going on inside the stick... [computers sound] "this one got around the an

they met the very high standards joyce and harry have described. they were granted permission by a fed ra judge. it may have reached the highest levels of the justice department run by donald trump's appointees so they monitored his conversations and the president may or may not have called him in this interim. am i missing something? >> no, you laid it all out. thank you for doing that because i've been reading this reporting in the daily beast and seeing the push back from giuliani. i don't think that giuliani would be the source here to dispute our reporting. why would the president's attorney know whether or not michael cohen was under a wiretap? prosecutors do not work that way. they don't want anyone under a wiretap surveillance to know they are being listened to. that would be pretty counterproductive. i think what he is picking up on here is the fact that he's thinking that his client is being wiretapped. he may even know that's not what we're saying. i'm sure he's an astute reader. i think he's trying to stretch it to show perhaps the just

joyce, that was fantastic. thank you. >>> tonight, spotted. the president's chief of staff and lawyer show up at a classified briefing with members of congress on a confidential informant in the russia investigation. this as the president continues to peddle his conspiracy theory about an alleged spy. >>> plus north korea tonight says it will talk to the u.s. at any time, even after donald trump's dramatic cancellation of his summit meeting with kim jong-un. >>> today's twin developments leaving the white house on defense and in disarray as "the 11th hour" gets under way on a thursday night. >>> good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. i'm nicolle wallace in for brian williams tonight. day 490 of the trump administration. summit collapse. the president scrapped his june 12th talks with north korean leader kim jong-un. tonight, north korea has responded. more on that story ahead. >>> but we begin with the classified meetings with members of congress, intelligence, and law enforcement officials about the fbi's use

i was so struck by joyce vance's interview that you did with joyce vance in your hour

i turn to joyce vance, and michael waldman. joyce, what do you make of the -- they used to call it nondenial denial of this nonclarifying clarification? >> so at the end of the day rudy can characterize these events and these payments however he wants to. it's not -- not a criminal violation is what he's saying, but it doesn't really matter to the investigators in the southern district of new york. they will look at the facts and they'll make a decision about whether this is a criminal sort of a campaign finance violation or something regulatory that they should send to their colleagues at the federal election commission for regulatory which is not a criminal sort of follow-up. but this effort to characterize it and recharacterize it and change the facts really comes to nothing because the facts are already baked in. it's already happened. investigators will track it down and this i think will end up being something of a sideshow. >> it's a sideshow, but it goes to the sort of endless assault on veracity, aka, lying all the tim

completely agree with joyce on that.hether or not he actually conspired with russians to interfere in the election or set up a back channel and broke the law in some other way, don't know yet. and i think i hear joyce saying the same thing. but these are the types of questions investigators always ask. you ask questions typically that you know the answer to. but sometimes you also ask questions to which you do not know the answer. >> also on this list is a question for the president of the united states about whether he was aware of the platform change at the convention. if you've ever worked for someone who was nominated to represent the republican party, there has never, ever, ever, ever been a change in the platform to make it nicer to vladimir putin. >> no. and going back to the time when this actually happened, i remember i was so struck by it that i looked into it and spoke to several party delegates who were involved in drafting the platform committee. i was told that indeed they tabled this one resolution for let

attorney joyce vance, jeremy bash, former chief of staff at the cia and pent gone. and john hileman, co-host of the circus on show time. all three msnbc analysts. take me through what you think the enduring damage may be tonight to the fbi and the justice department as they seek to maintain some independence from a president with complete and utter disregard for all the norms that have previously kept white houses from doing things like sending the chief of staff and the president's lawyer to a meeting like this. >> i think there's a short to medium range question and a long-range question. the short to medium range question it seems to me is quite clear. the president will feel as though, regardless of what was said in that meeting, the president will regard this as a victory. he demanded something no president has ever demanded before, that no president has ever thought he had the right to demand before, that no one on either party would have conceived as something a president could do and he didn't get exactly what he wanted, but he got a lot of what he wanted. h

i want to go to you joyce vance. here is an attorney general of new york state, who is engaging in behavior that he has to know, according to jane mayer's reporting, is going to get him in trouble, especially in the position he's in, it would get any man in trouble in any position. >> it's so hard to contemplate why we hear these stories over and over again. perhaps there's a sense he's powerful enough he can outrun the story, he can outrun any sort of allegations that come up, but in the end this caught up with him fairly quickly and an unfortunate juncture in our country's history where he was in charge of several weighty investigations. >> eric schneiderman is not married, was not married during any of this conduct that's been reported here and his ex-wife and mother of his children has issued a very supportive statement about eric schneiderman tonight. jennifer rubin, i wanted to get your reaction to the developments. >> i think it's two-fold. one is there's a level of credibility these women have because of the

i was so struck by joyce vance's interview that you did with joyce vance in your hour where she talks about in this "washington post" report tonight that robert mueller brought up the possibility of issuing a subpoena to the president to testify if the president doesn't agree to an interview. and joyce vance said to you that they would have made a very serious decision about even saying that, and that robert mueller would not have said that, she doesn't believe, if rod rosenstein hadn't already confirmed with robert mueller and said, well, if he doesn't agree to an interview and you need an interview, the next stage will be a subpoena, meaning that rosenstein had in effect preapproved the subpoena so that mueller then mentioned it. that was a really fascinating exchange. >> and it has two totally fascinating implications, right? one is the mueller investigation is proceeding and vaulting over new legal benchmarks, including this subpoena threat to the president with the authority, under the authority of rod rosenstein. and this is marching forward as a legal matter. the other thing it

association with the president in that whole space there, what is standing out the you, joyce?well, the most important thing to focus on, richard, is that we don't have all of the facts that are necessary to form a judgment about whether cohen's conduct was merely swampy or whether it was krim a nal. -- -- criminal, and so we have to be aware of that and not too quick to rush to judgment, but because the decision s as are b us knowledge, we have to look at whether this is going to be an inappropriate pay to play scheme where access to the president is the result of payment or operhaps some connections to russia, and the collusion connection that is the subject of the mueller investigation. >> when is i it, joyce, moving from swampy into criminal or illegal? when would that happen and what would you be look g fing for? >> so, what would happen in any number of different ways, because what the prosecution has to do is to prove that people violated a specific statute, and every criminal law in the federal criminal code has different requirements. much of the central issue in this

but then joyce is also a former u.s. attorney, so she ranks equally with him. and i'm with her opinion on this. she is absolutely correct. i think he's taking too many lessons from roseanne barr and donald trump in his language. and it's unforgivable for a lawyer representing the president to speak that way. >> rudy giuliani did serve in the justice department in washington before becoming the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. just want to get that in the notes here. >> okay. >> i want to listen to more of what rudy giuliani said. especially his approach to the -- what he says should have been the approach to the investigation of possible collusion. and, of course, he uses the word spying, saying that the trump campaign should have been notified about what the fbi was actually investigating. let's listen to this. >> of course, if it wasn't spying they should have come to the trump campaign. they should have come to me. my goodness, i was the fbi man of the year that year. they could have come to me, they could have told me and i could have br

attorney joyce vance. thank you all for being here this evening to try and sort through exactly what the heck happened over the course of the last week. phil rucker, can you start with an overview of where we are at the white house right now? what does the president think of the job giuliani is doing, is there solid footing or is there distance between them? >> this has been going on five or six days now. the president did say friday he thought rudy giuliani needed to get his facts straight. felt confident he would. my colleague bob costa talked to rudy giuliani this afternoon after the interviews this morning. he spent the day with the president at the golf course in virginia, the president feels good about it and they're in a comfortable place. it is totally separate from the white house. the white house senior staff have no idea what rude si doing. they're not booking his interviews. they're not strategizing over his talking basis points. this is very much a rogue operation the president's personal atto

joyce vance is here with us. spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. and we welcome to the broadcast guy lewis, a former u.s. attorney who also worked with robert mueller, james comey and rod rosenstein among others while at doj. welcome to you all. joyce, does this cohen filing tonight, which you described -- one of the smartest attorneys you'll ever meet, described as a weird critter procedurally. they're trying to kick avenatti out of court in new york. does this filing tonight change what is in effect as we said our lead story. the body of avenatti's documents? >> it's interesting on a couple of fronts, brian. for one thing, the letter obviously reveals a couple of flaws in avenatti's data. but it also gives us perhaps an interesting clue into where avenatti's information came from. the fact that there are a couple of inclusions in this report that aren't allegedly from michael cohen, the new york lawyer, but rather for other michael cohens indicates fra ss that the name was run through some sort of government terminal and came up with some good hi

i'm joined by ned price a former spokesman for the national security counsel and former prosecutor joyce vance back with us. it would seem that you have a potentially legitimate legal strategy. i would give these lawyers at the white house credit as i would any set of lawyers to try to use what leverage they have which is the prospect of the interview while negotiating its terms. that's pretty standard. what they don't have is a client who will even briefly pretend that he will go along with that strategy. >> that's exactly right, ari. president trump said today he would override his lawyers if he deemed bob mueller would be fair. well, this is the same president who has called bob mueller and his team of prosecutors he has labeled them a whit hunt, he has called them angry democrats, he has said they are out to get him. i think the odds of president trump coming out and openly

joyce, a big thanks to you, as well. of course, we'll be spending a lot of time digging through this over the next few days. i do hope you'll come back. >>> there's another big story that we are following on this wednesday, as well. msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos is the in front of the federal courthouse in manhattan. he is covering today's hearing in the michael cohen case. bring us up to speed, sir? .what happen what happened in court today as it relates to michael cohen? >> reporter: two major things. number one, there was an update as to the status of the provision of the documents seized by the government to the special master. now, you'll remember, special master barbara jones was appointed. she's a former judge. she's basically resolving all the privilege disputes between cohen's team, trump's team, and the government. the government seized the documents and the records. they haven't looked at them yet. they're waiting for them all to go through the special master. part two was whether or not attorney michael

joining us now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney under the obama administration and an nbc contributor as well as the former deputy asis assistant attorney general, tom. >> are we look agent the wrong shiny toy here. is the focus on president trump's legal strategy, should it be on emmit flood and his work focussed on impeachment? >> i think that's where this is going to play out. there have been a lots of side shows ranging from the stormy daniels payment to the reasons for jim comey's firing. i suspect at the end of the day the real action is going to be on what is the next stage of the russia investigation that is to say the circumstances under which the president is willing to subject himself to questioning under oath by bob mueller. that's where the action is and what we should be focussed on. >> joyce, what's the relevance of the changing narrative about jim comey? is that important in the grand scheme of things? >> it's incredibly important to prosecuters when witnesses tell stories that change over time. it obviousl

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joyce, sally yates was also on "morning joe" this morning and i want to play you a little bit of what she had to say. >> i think what we're seeing here is the president has just taken his all-out assault on the rule of law to a new level. and this time he is ordering up an investigation of the investigators who are examining his own campaign. you know, that's really shocking. >> so, joyce, adam schiff is calling this an abuse of power and nonsense. on the one hand you have adam schiff saying that. on the other you have rudy giuliani saying this is appropriate for the president to ask his department of justice to expand this investigation. which is it, in your view? >> well, it's not appropriate for the president to direct the justice department to open a criminal investigation against the president's political opponents. it's particularly inappropriate when an investigation into the president's own conduct and the conduct of his associates is ongoing. but the technical point here that i think we sometimes miss, and it's important to walk this back a little bit and get out of the polit

attorney joyce vance. from "the new york times" mike schmidt and matt miller, former chief spokesman for the justice department. all of them, lucky for us, are msnbc analysts and contributors. let me start with you, mike schmidt. you have a story today about rudy giuliani's reliance on justice department policy, and i talked to folks close to rudy who say that that's it, that's the legal strategy. >> well, it's interesting where we are a year later. it's a good story for the president that he can't be indicted, and that just shows how far i think we have come on this entire thing. this is a favorable story for the president. it shows that this huge question, you know, will not be resolved at least in the courts about him. so, it's a little bit, you know, i don't know if theme president thought he would find himself in this position a year ago when mueller was appointed. >>> you know, they take this argument that because the president can't be indicted, he also cannot be subpoenaed or he can only be subpoen

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attorney joyce vance, who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. robert, you get to go first. set the scene. march 5th. the principals, the dynamics, the backdrop and what ended up happening. >> what a scene. mr. mueller, someone who is known to be so careful with his words, has a meetsing with the president's legal team and they're having tense negotiations about a potential presidential interview. and as the president's lawyers continue to balk at the suggestion and say they need to have more information, mr. mueller brings up the possibility of a subpoena. and that gets the president's lead lawyer, john dowd, to snap back, you're messing around with the president of the united states. that led the mueller team to provide information to the president's lawyers about the areas of interest of the probe, which then led mr. sekulow, the president's current attorney, to compile a list of potential questions that the legal team views as things that mueller could ask. >> so this started -- this list started life as kind of the areas well known to mueller and his team that they woul

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joyce, look at the calendar a second. what?hree days from now, the one-year mark of the bob mueller probe. i think it's worth reminding folks, there have been indictments or guilty pleas involving 19 people, 3 companies, soliciting interviews with most of the president's closest aides and outside associates. chris ruddy, a trump friend and chief executive news max quoted saying, this has moved at lightning speed. the number of indictments and other moves is amazing. i think it will come to a head quicker than other investigations. as we all know, the president wanted this over yesterday. his vice president jumped onboard with that last week. but is he right? is it moving quickly and could it be over fast? >> mr. ruddy is right on one count, i suspect wrong on another. this investigation has made far more quickly than any public corruption case i've ever been involved in or observed. these cases are slow moving. it take as long time for the fbi to do a lot of the leg work involved. it takes a lot of time to gather and review fin

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joining me now, joyce advanvanc former u.s. attorney and msnbc contributor. i want to drill down on that tweet but first your reaction to what we heard from rudy giuliani this morning, the latest chapter in this campaign, raising questions about robert mueller's investigation. how do you react to what rudy giuliani had to say? >> i've reached the point where i'm not sure it is valuable to continue to listening to rudy giuliani. he's really just taking handfuls of spaghetti, throwing it up against the wall and seeing what sticks in the hope that he can find a new tag line for the president. you know, the president's done really well with "make america great again" and "build the wall." i think that they're searching around for the russia gate equivalent of that, a line that they can use with their base to rally the base and try to persuade people that there wasn't misconduct here. it's i think increasingly really difficult to watch giuliani do this. >> senator marco rubio, as we saw a few moments ago, was on the sunday shows today and was asked about what's be

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it takes james joyce's ulysses who is an awesome irish poet and writer. and looks at the role as a sort of catholic priest in the act of writing fiction. as a consecrating in the sacred. >> right. writing is a sacred art. and with james joyce >> interesting fellow. >> and, they have a digital catholicism. >> [ cell phone rings ] >> yeah, i'm watching it too. i see them every day. >> the curtains, they're always drawn in this place. >> i know. >> that guy, it seems like he's in charge of them. i don't know, i don't feel very good about this. >> we have to report this. >> yes, absolutely. >>> hello and welcome back. we are talking about the internet and about young people. now, i ride the bar every day and everyone you know has a mobile device. and i wonder what they are doing. and having met you it's possible that they are sending messages back and forth like that. but i wanted to talk about the state of the internet and the state of young people. if you said that's where the young people live today and you want to reach them, for good or for ill that's wh

this is a very perverted man. >> joyce vance, your reaction to that? >> well, jim comey made decisions in a very difficult situation that not everyone agrees with, he flew in the face of established doj policy. there's a lot to criticize whether you're a fan of jim comey's or not. but one thing it appears he hasn't done is lie. he appears to be truthful even if damaging to his self-interest. he appears to have told the truth when it does not put jim comey in a positive light. the comments seem unwarranted, targeted not at the truth but rather influencing trump's base and increasing this litany, this story line that the investigation is illegitimate so if the time comes the president is subpoenaed before the grand jury or if people very close to him are indicted at some point, then perhaps giuliani's role will be to be the bull dog out there decrying the process, the special counsel himself and his legitimacy as opposed to making sound legal arguments. it sounds unhinged, if anything. >> sean hannity did ask the big question tonight about the subpoena,

>> i'm joyce. >> both: nice to meet you. >> thanks for coming. >> do you love it here?> oh, absolutely. >> did you just say that 'cause the cameras are here? >> no. my boss is right there. >> she said that because i'm here. >> because your boss is right there? you don't want to get fired. >> this is our warehouse. we basically have drums that we do all our batching in. >> should i think about this like a big recipe batch... >> absolutely. >> adding ingredients like a mad scientist? >> both: yes. >> okay. >> but we're not mad. we're happy. [laughter] this is a big, plastic tote of castile soap, and it's one of the best castile soaps you can buy. >> so what's something like this cost? >> what is a tote? >> 4 grand. >> 4 grand. >> $4,000? >> yes. >> right. >> how much production can you get out of this? >> just under 5,000 units. >> we don't have a ton of room here, so we're buying one tote at a time, where maybe we need four totes to manufacture, you know, 5,000 to 10,000 units. >> but space is one confinement... >> yeah. >> for not having more of this. what's another con

and joyce is right, mike. they would have shown up on sean hannity.y would have been booked in packs of three, shoulder to shoulder shots from the capital saying, aha, we got it, the smoking gun. >> very troubling. >> there is nothing. >> there is nothing. the whole thing was a card trick and a bad one. the reason the president won't defend the national interest or the idea the russians were undermining our democracy is he thinks his interest is the national interest. he is that i believe self-obsessed. if it's good for him it's good for america. if it's attacking him, it's attacking american. he cannot see foreign enemies, he only sees trump enemies. he is the first president in modern history and i'll include nixon in this or clinton, who is immune from shame. shame used to be the weapon that could hold the top in line. it means nothing to him. the one thing i'll say, though, he is not being that successful. he has the office, but there is only one mark to market event in politics. you know this, election day. and his numbers are bad, among the wors

and that's not michael cohen. >> joyce, a quick word on what michael just outlined.ll seen this language in the documents. but that phrase "many crimes". this is federal prosecutors typing in the words "many crimes," submitting it to a federal judge. i assume they don't do that lightly. >> they don't do it lightly. and there was also some specificity. they talked about bank fraud. they talked about campaign finance fraud. this many crimes language indicates that when you're committing crimes that involve these big frauds, often you commit other crimes along the way. and it's up to prosecutors ultimately to determine what charges they'll bring, but they're entitled to investigate that full range of conduct along the road to those charges. >> joyce vance, thank you very much for joining us. and michael daily, the title of his next book is "the art of the squeal." don't anybody steal that title. that's michael's title. thank you very much for joining us. really appreciate it. >>> coming up, why the trump-north korea summit is now in doubt. wait what? directv gives you m

joyce, when you're a prosecutor and you look at those two things, what do you think? >> that first videotape is one of the most compelling pieces of evidence of intent that you could have as a prosecutor. giuliani is all over the place, trying to launch a public relations strategy. could it be evidence? likely not. but as mimi points out, this evidence is happening in front of us in brought daylight, and each individual piece is just that, an individual piece. when you put it all together, it becomes a very strong and compelling picture. >> i do want to talk a little bit about the other pardons that he is floating, or at least the commutations. rod blagojevich, martha stewart. we have lynn sweet, i believe, available as well, let's bring her in if we can. lynn sweet is a columnist and a washington bureau chief at "the chicago sun-times." lynn, you covered blagojevich, you covered this time. remind us again what rod blagojevich did and why he is serving a 14-year sentence. >> well, thank you. i didn't cover his trial, i was in washington, but i've known him for his pol

he owned a small oil producing company and joyce began her journey in the oil industry. in 1982 she joined the derry club -- dairy club of bradford where she served as various roles, including president in 1983 and 1984. joyce and bill became members of the pennsylvania independent petroleum producers association in 1986, one year after the organization was formed. this turned into a life-long commitment for the klines. in 2012 joyce and bill were honored with the gary ho vimbings s memorial -- hovis memorial award for their service. throughout her life joyce has shown her dedication to the industry and i wholeheart lid congratulate her on this outstanding achievement. thank you, mr. speaker. i yield back the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back the balance of his time. for what purpose does the gentlelady from the u.s. virgin islands seek recognition? ms. plaskett: i ask unanimous con -- i ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute and revise and extend my remarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentlelad

let me go back to the judge -- to joyce on this. you create a vast conspiracy and use words like spy and spy gate trying to distract the jury which is beak his 40% of the country, have them learn the music, learn the lyrics start to say spy gait. today he was like jimmy two times independence "goodfellas" teaching the people outside the white house how to say the word spy gate. he's teaching everybody that so in the bars this weekend they'll all be saying it. it's horrible. and he's doing everything he can to destroy this country and his government so he gets off scot-free. your thinking? >> it's really despicable conduct from the president of the united states. this idea that he's inserting it characteristicizations of conduct by law enforcement that he knows aren't true in an effort to prejudice the people of the united states against the fbi, against the intelligence services who protect us is really i just think in many ways something we were not prepared for it as a country. and because we were unprepared for a president who wo

joyce vance and eli mystal, thank you. >>> previously not reported, but a second trump tower leaning in which a foreign government was looking to trade help for favors. this time the quid pro quo is right in front of our face, apparently, next. you might take something for your heart... or joints. but do you take something for your brain. with an ingredient originally found in jellyfish, prevagen is the number one selling brain-health supplement in drug stores nationwide. prevagen. the name to remember. >>> perhaps the biggest news story from this weekend is the revelation of a second trump tower meeting in 2016 with, lo and behold, don trump jr., where this time a representative of two middle eastern countries offered to help out his father's campaign, according to a superb piece of reporting from "the new york times," trump jr. met in august of 2016 with none other than erik prince, former head of black water, george nader, an emissary for saudi arabia and the united arab emirates and a israeli social media expert joel zamel. it certainly got the president's attention yesterday whe