attorney joyce vance.thank you for being my buddy on set here tonight going through this stuff. we thought about booking a million different people. i was like, i just want joyce to sit in studio with me and walk me through these things because i have questions. >> thank you. >> thank you. it's great to have you here. all right. we'll be right back. stay with us. feel the clarity of non-drowsy claritin and relief from symptoms caused by over 200 indoor and outdoor allergens. like those from buddy. because stuffed animals are clearly no substitute for real ones. feel the clarity. and live claritin clear. - did you know, the exact same hotel room can have many different prices? it all depends on where you look. - wait, you paid how much? - oh, dear! - well, this is awkward. that's why tripadvisor checks over 200 booking sites (cash register ringing) to find you a great price, and the hotel you want, so you don't end up overpaying for your room. no offense. find the right hotel room for the right price. ♪ hoo

joyce: my parents have been my mentors. they would always encourage us to strive to do our best, to do it with the guidance of our faith, and i also have a very interesting mentor is my wife. , my wife has given me so much insight into myself. we've known each other since we were 12 years old. we go back quite a distance. we didn't fall in love until we were in medical school, two different medical schools in philadelphia. my wife went to what is now drexel medical school and i went to temple. we had gone to undergraduate together at penn state and she is truly the guiding force in my life. i can always bounce something by her and know she's going to make me think about it critically and make the right decisions. >> what was her reaction to you deciding to run? representative joyce: amazingly supportive because as i said, we practiced medicine together for over 25 years. now my wife is continuing that. she continues to work in pennsylvania as a physician, and i am in washington and trying to get home to the district every w

joyce: it's a new thing for me. i have been a professional -- physician all my professional life and last year the opportunity became available with an open seat. many of my patients came to me asking me to address their issue regarding health care. increasing prescription costs, co-pays, deductibles, i've often had a concern how patients will be able to afford this. they asked me to step up with consideration and with prayer. i took the next step and after some serious deliberation, we entered into the race to represent what is the new pennsylvania 13th district. >> why prayer? mr. joyce: my background is faith-based. i don't do nothing without prayer. i pray on a daily basis for my family, for my patients. and for our country. this was a big step. i practiced medicine, i graduated from medical school in 1983. and i practiced in many different fields. officially i was in academic medicine at johns hopkins hospital. i worked for the u.s. navy as a civilian physician during desert storm and desert shield. i also work

attorney joyce vance.ing my buddy on set here tonight going through this stuff. we thought about booking a million different people. i just want joyce to sit in studio with me and walk me through these things because i have questions. >> thank you. >> thank you. it's great to have you here. all right. we'll be right back. stay with us. all right. we'll be right back. stay with us >>> there is still a lot to absorb about what we the country just learned today from the president's longtime personal lawyer, somebody who worked for a decade at his business, who was his -- not only his legal counsel but was his fixer. it's a lot to learn and a lot to absorb still about what michael cohen laid out in terms of evidence and what he alleged today about the president, the president's character and the president's potential involvement in multiple crimes, including since he has been president. there's just one last piece of it that i want to play for you today. it happened at the very end when michael cohen gave a sh

joyce: i do not see shock and all stimulus from china.hing for the type of stimulus we saw during the financial crisis, that is not going to happen. we have been looking at some of the tax reform measures and the stimulus they are doing and there is some stimulus still to come. we have china's growth below six handles. they are doing a careful balance on the debt which is there achilles heel. balancing how they managed that burden and a fiscal deficit. their consolidated deficit is more than 10% of gdp. david: joyce chang of j.p. morgan securities will be staying with us. now we have an update of what is making headlines outside the business world. viviana: the european union is slashing growth forecasts for the region's major economies. brexit and the slowdown in china could make the situation worse. expandinghe economy 1.3% this year, that is down from 1.9% in the november forecast. the eu shaped a percentage point off the forecast for italy, saying the company -- the economy will grow just .2%. the latest tax proposal from democrats ta

and then back with us our expert former federal prosecutor joyce vance.oat of you for being here. e eli, how important is this case that many viewers may not know by name because he hasn'teries tony that level yet, but he could. khuzami shirks not a political appointee. see a career prosecutor. he is a man with the institutional competence to see this through long after the mueller probe goes away. look, sdny is the bear, and the trump organization is like leonardo dicaprio. and this time we're not sure the bear going to let him go. there is significant jeopardy up and down the trump organization from these people who, again, have -- they spend their careers sussing out and fighting financial crimes. this is chris christie, i can't believe i'm agreeing with him, this is what he was trying the safe. while mueller has a very limited scope, right? sdny investigates crime. >> whatever they find in new york. you're saying in this theatrical analogy, khuzami is the bear, the prosecutor? >> yes. his office is the bear. >> and donald trump is leo? >> at best. he

joyce, take us through this manafort sentencing document. and i reference the cohen sentencing memo because that was a watershed moment in terms of this white house's understanding of the potential legal exposure that the president had in the cases out of the southern district of new york. why are sentencing memos an opportunity to detail and sort of provide us sort of the public with more a narrative -- more of a narrative explanation of the crimes, or in manafort's case the criminal conspiracy manafort is accused of or now have been found guilty of? >> there's a very clear legal framework, the united states code establishes a set of factors that a judge has to consider at sentencing. if a judge fails to consider all of those factors, the sentence can actually be overturned on appeal. so the government's sentencing advocacy always explains to the judge what available evidence is. that can be the defend's background. that can be the circumstances of the current offense, which is where we've often gotten broad information out of the mueller t

but as joyce refers to, nick, there's a lot we don't know.ing about the secret sauce, the stuff he's not allowed to discuss even to this day in an interview that may have informed his view. the other thing i have to ask you about, again, i don't like being a cliche. i don't like repeating my stories. it makes me feel older. it was only 24 hours ago to the hour that you picked up a phone calling in to our control room to say what it means that the person who ran donald trump's campaign could spend the rest of his life in prison because he blew up his own plea deal. a day later there's a million things going on. it's valentine's day. happy valentine's day. i think it's more than a day's coverage when you look at the significance of that. walk us through a day later paul manafort facing this jail time. what does it mean that manafort won that? >> you have a judge making a finding that relates to the two conspiracies that have been charged against russian intelligence operatives. you have a finding with respect to him lying about the ukrainian pe

joyce, ken, thank you all. joyce, ken, thank you all. your brain changes as you get older. but prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient originally discovered... in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. >> said the man who's told more than 8,000 lies. it's hard to argue with that description he offers, although it loses most, if not all of its muster. when you consider who's saying it. that was trump talking about a free press. at one point according to "the times" insisting he didn't like the fact foreign leaders were increasingly using the term fake news to justify suppressing independent scrutiny. hard to argue with the sentiment until you consider what trump said earlier the very same afternoon. >> did you talk to the intelligence today about the diz pleasure they have -- >> i did, and they said they were totally misquoted and it was totally taken out of context. i suggest you call them. i they said it was fake news -- >> we ran what they said. >> excuse me, it didn't surprise me a

joyce vance still with me and elliott williams as well. >>> joyce, pick it up where you were loving it oleaving it offe. the whole issue of trying to itch peach the integrity of rod rosenstein and his oversight of the mueller probe. >> there is an important principle of prosecution. prosecutors investigate crimes not people. jordan was insinuating that rosenstein had somehow directed mueller to target individuals, asking whether that information was concealed behind redactions. it seems extraordinarily unlikely to me that that be the case. rosenstein might have, in fact, used names, but that would have been based on predicated investigation indicating that further investigation was warranted as opposed to this sort of targeted witch-hunt that jordan was trying to suggest might have been asked for. >> we're going to take a quick break as well while the committee is in recess. we'll be right back. we'll be right back. so even when she grows up, she'll never outgrow the memory of our adventure. unlock savings when you add select hotels to your existing trip. only with expedia. select hote

matt, joyce, ken and heidi are all back.eems to be that sort of heartbeat of the mueller probe, was there a financial tie? was russia aware of things that we weren't aware of back here in terms of donald trump's pursuit of a real estate project there? and the president seemed in this interview to come a whole lot closer to corroborating michael cohen's timeline than his own original position, which the talks stopped in january of 2016. >> yeah, this is what you have to do as a defend or as a subject of an investigation, if in facts emerge that are inconsistent with your story, you have to involve your story to line up with facts that you can't run away from. now there's a consistent set of facts. michael cohen has come forward and testified under oath or pleaded guilty under oath, is about to testify again. those facts are at odds with what the president said all along. it's interesting he's moving closer to cohen instead of holding his ground. what i think will be fascinating to see is what the president told bob mueller wh

attorney joyce vance who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor and at aforementioned, tom hamburger, because it's your reporting we're discussing here tonight, i'd like you to begin and talk about the setting of this meeting at this club not far from here in midtown manhattan, why it matters, why it could be foundational. >> brian, it was, as you described it, an unusual meeting at an unusual place. at the height of the 2016 presidential campaign. august 2nd, paul manafort, the campaign chair, leaves campaign headquarters in trump tower and goes over to 666 -- to the 666 building and to a club at the top called the grand havana room, a cigar club. there he and his campaign lieutenant, rick gates, meet with a visiting foreign national, konstantin kilimnik and the meeting occurs at the height of the campaign, three men meet and one of the things we know from the bits of courtroom records that have not been redacted and we've been able to review is they chose to leave separately so their meeting would have a lower chance of being seen, so they all meet secretly for dinner and then leave

attorney joyce vance, with us at the table associated press white house reporter jonathan lemire, nbc news senior nerl expandant keers simmons make his triumph frapt return, and tim o'brien, bloomberg opinion executive editor. kieran, let me start with you. we're happy to have you back. you've covered this story from foreign capitals, most importantly moscow. the idea that the new chairman of the house intel committee is now going to begin anew all of this work that could have commenced two years ago if republicans had been interested in our national security, he's now today announcing he's going to start to investigate whether or not donald trump may be compromised. it's stunning. >> it's absolutely stunning. and hiding in plain sight if you want to find the motivation around the world for many of the things happening, it's two words, make money. he's a president who telegraphed around the world, i'm the guy you can do deals with. i'm the art of the deal. ol goings and property magnets around the world read that as bring your money and we can do deals. if you're russian, we can do de

he lost on every front. >> joyce, i follow katia and joyce conway continue gets my attention when they aggressively and vigor on something. within moments of one another, they both tweeted the first lines in the lawsuits against this emergency declaration will be the president's own comments today in the rose garden. is that the legal case against the emergency, that the person who declared the emergency said there was no emergency? >> i think peter became a hero for plaintiffs' lawyers across the country today when he asked the president that question. i literally could not believe the answer, because what lawyers have been bandying about, constitutional lawyers, the smart people that i don't include myself among but they've been having a conversation about the except of the executive power being the focus of this with courts giving great deference to the president over his determination that something is a national emergency. and, of course, they would have argued that but not expected necessarily to win. now the president i think has put that into question, even though the data has

joyce? >> it's an option for accountability.sense, ari, is that it's at the very far end of the spectrum, and you would get to impeachment actually before you would get to 25th amendment. >> i don't want to go too long, but i want everyone to see. there is also this fascinating exchange about getting comey's advice after they fired him. take a look. >> he mentioned to me how highly he thought of james comey, and he mentioned that he would like to speak to james comey about it. >> after comey was fired? >> that's correct. >> rosenstein had been the one who wrote the memo that got comey fired, and now he wants to reach out and ask him for advice? >> he did, he did. he raised the issue with me twice, and ultimately i told him that i wasn't comfortable connecting him with jim comey, that i didn't think jim should weigh in on these things. >> we're almost out of time. so lightning round, in a sentence or two. what was that, brian? >> same thing. rod is taken aback by the fact that he is now viewed as the president's accomplice in fir

with us is joyce vance, betsy and sahil are back as well.oyce, talk through a little bit the pros and cons of what happens if and when andrew mccabe does end up testifying under oath to these lawmakers. particularly if he sues the justice department. >>. >> the situation is complex. he had a very storied career. had a great reputation, but near the end, he ran into trouble over allegations that he had misled his supervisor, then director jim comey and been untruthful about directing a subordinate to leak to the press. when he was dismissed it was over an allegation that he failed in something that was important to the fbi. everything in that confuses what could have been a straight trajectory for mccabe. everything he says has to be viewed through the filter of lack of candor. that will cause issues for him on the hill. despite the allegations of lack of candor in that one instance, much of what he says has the ring of truth. it's backed up by other information going on at the time. so his testimony, i think, will be highly anticipated, but

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. >> and jp morgan's joyce chang joins us nasdaq is slightly in the red. that dip an hour ago wasn't so much off the fed minutes but rather due to that brief headline about possible tariffs on the eu. we shrugged that off again and are not too far off the highs of the session. sara has an interview with the ceo of kimberly clark in ten, 15 minutes time sara >> good afternoon, wilfred and morgan yes, i'm here in dallas. kimberly clark is hosting a leadership meeting and the brand new ceo will open up to us exclusively his first interview since becoming ceo we'll talk about everything from the brands like kleenex and huggies diapers, which ones need a turn around and what's really going on with pricing as far as what's being passed on to the u.s. consumer and inflation, macroeconomic environment and a lot more i'll see you in a few moments. >> we are looking forward to it, sara, thank you. we'll see you in a few minutes let's get right to, speaking of, the fed minutes that came out last hour. steve liesman is in washington with the latest. hey, steve. >> hey

i think part of what was so critical about nicolle's interview and that i think the panel that joyce was on after the interview made clear, is there has been a fundamental assault by president trump on the independence of law enforcement counterintelligence in this country. the fact that the institution as joyce pointed out actually had to figure out how to survive. >> and how to hide some stuff. >> and how to construct investigations in order to ensure that they could continue. right? what andrew mccabe, the picture he made even clearer today, i think than he had before, was how much he recognized how imperiled the independence of the institution was, to joyce's point, and the degree to which he had to figure out how with his -- the fact that he might imminently be fired because he as a 29-year serving public servant who was a republican, is a republican, who was appointed by donald trump, was going to be fired for not being loyal to donald trump. had to figure out how to embed the investigations in order to protect the independence of -- think about that. so our new normal, our new

>> absolutely, i agree with joyce. remember, mueller's remit was narrow. it's russian interference in the election and matters that arose from that investigation. so all of the things you have seen spun off from manafort to cohen to stone and others were purposefully spun off because mueller is follow his instructions to the letter. it's not at all surprising there would be other threads. there will be more to come. i imagine mueller's report as paul butler said is not the end of it, not by a long shot. >> i think the trump tower timing testimony and the president's lawyers having knowledge of exactly what cohen was going to say is something cohen knew he was going to reveal that today and knew that would unspool some questions for the president's lawyers and perhaps the president. >> i still think 10, 20 years from now the history books are going to write about the decline of trump, russia is going to be a very small part of it actually. ? should we listen in for a minute? let's see if they're getting going. >> one of the things i thought was so interesti

attorney joyce vance and former federal prosecutor paul butler. this material sounds like a lifetime of dirty tricks contained in electronics, they got it all. >> a terabyte is a lot of data. for comparison, audio files versus video files, it's video files you see in discovery when there's this much. led zeppelin 4 goes on for 42 minutes and it's only 97 megabytes. a megabyte, there are a million in a terabyte so prosecutors have a lot of evidence against stone and i'm betting a lot is video or maybe large dumps of da data. paul, who makes the decision of what's in what's out? there may be something about personal lives that may be interesting but have no material relevance. >> the lawyers will make arguments about what is admissible and what isn't and the judge decides. in terms of the motion today it's to get more time because the evidence is supposedly so complicated. the main charge against stone is false statements. i think it's an easy case for mueller. the defense to false statement is either i told the truth or what i lied about wasn't mat

to explain manafort's behavior is he's expecting a pardon. >> i want to follow up with you first, joycewhich is it is hard, if i try to put myself in the most neutral position possible is to arrange the behaviors of paul manafort at the risk of spending the rest of his life in jail for a version that doesn't have him covering up something sinister. >> that's absolutely right and it's just what the congresswoman is saying. people lie for a reason. the reason is they can't disclose the truth. the lie has to be about criminality. rosalynn in the previous session talked about interviewing konstantin kilimnik and getting a statement from him and his statement was it was a meeting, it was just about old bills. that's so like the cover-up of the trump tower meeting. it's about the adoption of russian orphans. people lie about things for a reason. and that's what's going on here. >> liz, you mentioned pardons and that is something that actually comes up in the hearing transcripts. andrew wiesman who is the top prosecutor on mueller's team suggesting that their working theory is the lines were d

ken dilanian, my colleague here, and msnbc contributor joyce vance, former federal prosecutor, joyce, what was your ta takeaway? >> i think it's a fascinating situation where we have andy mccabe now talking about events that we suspected but perhaps didn't have confirmation of. and something that jumps out at me, as he talks about briefing the gang of eight with devin nunes in the room and talks about the fact that there was perhaps evidence collection from cia even if they didn't get some sort of a bright line warning that the investigation was opened, that president trump knew he was a subject of this investigation as soon as bob mueller was in place. that's important because it makes it a lot easier for prosecutors to show that when he took steps after that, whether it was dangling pardons or threatening to fire bob mueller, that he did it with knowledge that he was a subject. and that's a very close step to proving that he intended to obstruct the investigation. >> is that why he keeps repeating something that happened earlier with jim comey, that comey told him three times he was

attorney joyce vance, a courtroom veteran that's spent 25 years as a federal prosecutors, peter baker for "the new york times," and josh gerstein for politico. josh, that's where i'd like to gen. what was it like? what was he like? >> well, it was a moment of high courtroom drama when we heard stone was going to take the stand. it wasn't something that people expected. but as you alluded to in the intro, it seems that stone doesn't do abject contrition and kind of groveling apology very well. his talents are in the realm of provocation and this was not a place to pursue that kind of a strategy. and so to see him sitting there on the witness stand questioned by his own lawyer, questioned by prosecutors, cross-examined by a prosecutor and questioned by the judge, he seemed a bit shaken by the experience. he seemed rattled at one point. he was breathing rather heavily into the microphone and he insisted as we discussed that all these apologies were genuine but the judge wasn't having much of it. she made clear pretty early on that she wasn't buying it. she said his explanations were evol

. >> joyce vance, msnbc contributor. ma ma matt miller, msnbc correspondent. he's worried the line was cross here. >> it looks like the fbi should do exactly what they need to do. rosenstein would have been acting director. when you're confronted with a situation where the president of the appears to be falling in the o orbit of a foreign leader, you have to find out the truth. that doesn't mean you're insubordina insubordinate. >> sounds like there's a lot to talk about from the mccabe interview. another clip where he describes an intelligence briefing. >> the president said he does not believe they have the capability to hit us with ballistic missiles. president putin told him the north cokoreans don't have that. >> and saying what? >> it was not consistent with the intelligence our government possesses. the president replied, i don't care, i believe putin. >> astonishing to produce evidence, then confronted with absolute disbelief. >> for the rest of us on the outside, it should be stunning but in a way isn't. we've seen the president walk out of a pemeetin

a reminder jill and joyce are both msnbc contributor. joyce you first here.ently it has acted lawfully in the reporting of the story of mr. bezos and says it was in good faith negotiations to ra try to resolve all matters with does there conduct from what we know about it fit into federal extortion? >> there's really a question within a question here. the first question is, did ami do something that would violate federal extortion law. it's a very close call. there's a good argument to be made in many prosecutors are making it that the conduct could be charged. also there's the separate question though of whether ami has violate the its nonprosecution agreement. this i think is the question that presents them with more of a problem. prosecutors could stop short of charging them but find that they violated that agreement and that would of course, have legal repercussions for them. >> stu, i want you to put all this into perspective for us. we have a battle among powerful people. a heavyweight publisher who built an empire on threats and bullying and the riches

matt miller is formerly with justice department, joyce advance u.s. professor and attorney, and danny a valleys joining us on set. and adam schiff saying he is willing to call robert mueller before congress. can he legally do that and is this more -- or is this political posturing on his part to put pressure on william barr to release as much of in report as possible? >> yes, he can do that and i'm sure he's doing what members of congress often do which makes it clear if you don't turn these documents over, you can expect a court file. and the history here, garrett referred to some of it, is very much on congress' side. over the past couple years, one thing the justice department has made clear, it is not the arbiter of presidential miscon gunkts. they can't indict a sitting president, that it is congress' job to police a president. so the only way congress can do that is if they have access to not just mueller's report, but access to documents. and the precedent is all on congress' side. there aren't really actually any rules governing what is turned

joyce, tom hits on fascinating points. key players in the mueller investigation who were tied into this. rick gates was part of the planning team for the inauguration. michael cohen actually had the information that got this whole thing started. >> it's fascinating we're seeing this case prosecutored not by mueller as part of special counsel's office but independently by the southern district of new york. demonstrates that mueller is exercising great restraint. his mandate was to look at connectivity between the campaign and russia and whether that was an effort to influence the election. but also anything he developed as a result of that investigation. prior independent counsels might have held on to this and kept going for years. but not mueller. they'll have access though to all of his cooperators and information they've developed. in this subpoena, we note that prosecutors are also looking for evidence of money laundering, which i think is the most interesting piece we've got here. is that money laundering by russian o

barbara mcquade and joyce vance are both former u.s.neys, thank you both for being here, i really appreciate it. joyce, let me get to you first, obviously the big question that looms over the newly-installed attorney general is, will he make the mueller report public, will he move to do that. d do you anticipate that he will do that? because he was noncommittal during his confirmation hearing. >> he was noncommittal during the confirmation hearing, and he was careful to say that to the extent it was released, it would be consistent with the law, which means there are a couple of big restrictions. he won't be releasing any grand jury material, that remains secret. and there will certainly be carve-outs for anything that's national security seckurecurity. but ultimately what barr releases could be a narrow report, if anything. the expectation seems to be that mueller will write what prosecutors call a process memo, explaining charging decisions, why you decided to charge, why you decided not to charge. that could be a far narrower report

attorney joyce vance. good to have all of you here. mara, what did you think of that scene of roger with trump supporters against the backdrop of that interview where donald trump is having it both ways? >> well, first of all, that was quite the scene in washington, d.c. roger stone getting a hero's welcome. it really does feel like we're living in two americas. i think that was my first reaction there. in terms of donald trump, you know, not even having thought about whether to pardon roger stone, it's kind of like with friends like that, i mean, my god. it's one thing for the president to say yes, no, maybe, i'm thinking very carefully about it. it's a very important issue. but the idea it hadn't occurred to him, that might send a message to roger stone. >> see, i had a slightly different take which i think he is definitely leaving it open to have a pardon. >> true. >> i think the idea that he is saying he hasn't thought of it, if he weren't a criminal president, you would basically reject out of hand giving anyone who has been indic

show in principle and in chattanooga tennessee brian joyce host of the brian joyce show on talk radio w g o w f.m. all right amy we've got hannity against that trump doesn't like get republican mcconnell likes it what's going to happen well in the words of the rolling stones you can't always get what you want and that is politics there are really a lot of options neither side wants a government shutdown.

joyce vance, former u.s., msnbc law analyst and editor-in-chief of "law fair," and senior fellow in governs sns studies at the brookings institute. joyce, i'm sure you've gotten chains to look through these documents already. what stands out to you? >> the most having thing about this memo is it doesn't answer any of the questions we had hoped to have answered. it doesn't tell us anything about what bob mueller may have uncovered about a conspiracy with russia. it's possible that he's come up empty handed, but even if mueller is sitting on top of evidence of a conspiracy, there would have been no reason to relay that information in this memo. paul manafort is being sentenced on charges unrelated to the campaign, bank fraud, tax fraud, and his had guideline sentencing range in this case already exceeds the statutory maximum which is ten years. sometimes prosecutors include additional information about misconduct by a defendant in a sentencing memo in an effort to insure they increase the amount of time they se

we will then hear from kathleen joyce, the assistant sergeant in arms. she will announce mike pence who was the president of the senate. then the speaker will announce the joint chiefs who will enter the house of representatives. the speaker and vice president appoint members of their chambers did ask her committee. at 8:50, karen pence will be escorted in the executive gallery followed by the first lady. the justices of the u.s. supreme court arriving at 8:55. this is from statuary hall inside of the chamber of the u.s. capital. you will see in just a moment, walking side-by-side, members of the u.s. senate making their way from one end of the other to the house of representatives for a joint session of congress. live session here on c-span. [indiscernible chatter] steve: as you heard from the senate historian, they are having the traditional chicken pot pie dinner and are lining up, along with vice president mike pence. secretary hall is where many of the lawmakers, house and senate leaders, will meet afterword with the media. you can watch those inter

host of the brian joyce show on talk radio airing on w g w. the president and the intelligence community. having markedly different conclusions about the state of the world who do you believe chris well i think you have to look at the specifics of what the president said he disagreed with that let's face the same intelligence community and parts of it that were politicized and really weaponized under the obama administration so that is really what the president is having issues with and if you look at his comments what he took issue with was there worldwide threats assessment and that threat assessment labeled the president of iran who is a holocaust denier as a moderate i mean i think it is really difficult for any of us who are serious people to look at someone who's a holocaust denier and somehow say that person is a modern even if they're coming from middle eastern country so it is it's not as if he was completely dismissive of every part of the report it was the specific aspects it was written as if it was taking issue with the president

show in principle and in chattanooga tennessee brian joyce host of the brian joyce show on talk radio w g o w f.m. all right amy we've got hannity against that trump doesn't like didn't republican mcconnell likes it. what's going to happen well in the words of the rolling stones you can't always get what you want and that is politics there are really a lot of options neither side wants a government shutdown this is the sort of eleventh hour deal that they're they've been able to put together and i would say both sides have had to compromise larry we've talked a lot in the past weeks about how this there was an idea to be able to trade dhaka and improving the situation for dreamers in return for border wall funny well doc was taken off the table and donald trump isn't getting his full five point six seven billion dollars for his wall i think that it's a good thing that we're not going to be going into another government shutdown and . president trump and republicans have also talked about different paths to you know getting more money for this border wall but we'll see it we'll see it

attorney for northern district of alabama, joyce vance. joyce, let me start with you. your biggest takeaways from yesterday's testimony? >> the biggest question going into yesterday was whether or not we would seek credibility from michael cohen, would he be believable after being convicted of lying to congress? and the answer on all accounts was yes. he was restrained. he appeared to tell the truth. he didn't go too far. for many veteran prosecutors that was the most important piece. repeatedly given the opportunity to demonize trump or to say that there's direct evidence of collusion he didn't go that far. >> what would you say then was the most damning moment from a legal perspective. anything new we learned yesterday besides seeing it for the first time. did we learn any new piece of information and if so what would you say from a legal perspective is the most interesting for any potential prosecution. >> it was a real smorgasboard. it's impossible to say. one of the most interesting pieces is that cohen put president trump a little bit closer to the crime that coh

we are joined now by joyce vance, the former u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama. an msnbc legal contributor. also joined by jennifer ruben who's an aopinion writer at "the washington post," and eugene robinson. and joyce vance, i want to gen with you just on the legal matter, this breaking news, possible federal crime by a congressman today via tweet. in your reading of the statute controlling this and in your reading of that tweet, do you see the possibility of the crime of intimidation and interference in a congressional hearing by congressman gaetz? >> based on just the tweet itself it's something that prosecutors might take a look at. it doesn't look to me like something offhand i would charge unless there was much more significant evidence that gaetz actually intended to prevent cohen from testifying completely or was trying to get him to not testify about different subjects. i think it's when you pull the camera back further out and you think about the fact this is sitting congressman making this kind of comment to a witness who's coming out on a serious mat

and joyce vance is here to cover the legal points for us. she is a former federal prosecut prosecutor. and we're joined by jerry george who spent 28 years at the "national enquirer," including as the los angeles bureau chief. has david pecker ever been up against anyone like jeff bezos before? >> i think for the first time david pecker has met his match. we have finally gone through the looking glass, and we are way beyond yellow journalism. we are now in the area of the rico act. this is extortion. >> yeah. joyce vance, let me go straight to you on the legal points here because there is so much in here. jeff bezos is very clearly saying this is extortion. this is blackmail. i read that e-mail from a lawyer in new york to marty singer from los angeles, and i have never seen an e-mail quite like that from lawyer to lawyer. >> it looks like our common understanding of what blackmail is, this kind of a threat. in federal law, there is a family of crimes under this umbrella of extortion and blackmail. but what they consist of at their core is th