chief joyce young were everlasting gratitude. thank you. [applause] to every 9/11 hero you poured out your heart, sweat, soul and everything you had to your country, you ran toward the records into a ball of flames like nobody in this country had ever seen. you searched for survivors, he went back to after day, night after night to save lives and return the fallen to their families to rebuild and to recover and to show the entire world nothing will ever break america's spirit, over the last two decades young endured hardship with amazing grace and incredible grip. through it all, you care and you worked and you loved and you always remember all of those great families. you lift up our communities and you remind us all what it means to stand united as one nation under god for your entire lives you've gone far beyond your duty to us and today we strive to fulfill our sacred duty to you. we love you, we honor you and rethink you. god bless you all. commac[applause] i am going to sign the bill into law and i don't know if this date will hold it

chief joyce, you have our everlasting gratitude. please, chief. thank you. [applause] pres. trump: thank you, chief. thank you for being here. and say hello to everybody. to every 9/11 hero, you poured out your heart, your sweat, your soul and everything you had for your country. you ran toward the wreckage, into a ball of flames, like frankly nobody in this country had ever seen. you searched for survivors, you went back day after day and night after night to save lives and return the fallen to their families to rebuild and recover, and to show the entire world that nothing will ever break america's spirit. over the last two decades, you have endured hardship with amazing grace and incredible grit. through it all, you care. you work, and you love, and you will always remember all of those great families. you lift up our communities and you remind us all what it means to stand united as one nation under god. for your entire lives, you have gone far beyond your duty to us, and today we strive to fulfill our sacred duty to you. we love you, we honor you, and we thank you. god

chief john joyce, former fire chief of the midtown manhattan firehouse. on september 11, 15 of his men raced into the ashes of hell and .ive their lives today, chief joyce still mentors there, 28 children. he spent seven months working at ground zero. in 2011, he was diagnosed with cancer. severealso endured other 9/11-related illnesses. the chief is a fighter. he is definitely a fighter. as he says, because of this bill , he does not have to fear for the families of his firehouse whose loved ones made the ultimate sacrifice. chief joyce, you have our everlasting gratitude. please, chief. thank you. [applause] pres. trump: thank you, chief. thank you for being here. and say hello to everybody. to every 9/11 hero you poured out your heart,, your sweat, your soul and everything you had for your country. you ran toward the wreckage, licka ball of flames, frankly nobody in this country had ever seen. you searched for survivors, you went back day after day and night after night to save lives and return the fallen to their families to rebuild and recover, and t

joyce and the table are back. joyce, i'm of two minds on this story. one, for a man who stood in that doj briefing room and said this is it, you will never see or hear from me again. the report is my testimony. call me a snitch skeptical if we wait a week, i have six hours, not five. and the other side i have always felt like with every minute of every day with every hour with every news cycle, the democrats lose whatever advantage remains. >> right. the democrats really lost this story at the outset when the attorney general put forth this summary of what the report supposedly said and it wasn't really what the report said. and they've never regained that momentum or presented the true story to the public. that's the opportunity that they have. it's tough to do that in a committee hearing. we all know that choppy back and forth of questioning among the parties makes that tough. democrats need to be disciplined. they need a strategy. they need to get mueller to talk about what's in the report and stay focused on that mission. >> and not to beat up on a

defenders of home. >>> we are back with a cliff hanger with our joyce vance.the short version of the question/answer that you found so important yesterday. >> it is fair to say then that there were limits on what evidence was available to your investigation of both russia election interference and obstruction of justice. >> that's usually the case. >> that lies by trump campaign officials and administration officials impeded your investigation. >> i would generally view that. >> joyce vance, you have the floor, why was it so important? >> it seems to me lawrence that this is the linkage of volumes one and two of the mueller report. we used to look at it separately. yesterday we had two separate hearings. it is important that we understand and mueller made it clear that we needed to understand the obstruction ultimately impacted their inability to charge a conspiracy or other crimes related to connections between the campaign and russia and it ultimately that obstruction of justice not just from the president but also from people around him. people who mueller

emily: all right, bloomberg's kurt wagner, and joyce lai.will look into google, president trump taking peter thiel's side. we are live streaming on twitter. be sure to follow our global breaking news network, @tictoc on twitter. this is bloomberg. ♪ emily: on monday, conservative billionaire peter thiel claimed google was doing "seemingly treasonous" work with china. he found a fan of his comments in president trump. president trump: i would like to recommend, including to like our attorney general, to take a look. google is with china in not a very positive way for our country. emily: to discuss, in new york, a guest, and in our studio, a reporter who covers tech for us. he not only said that google is doing "seemingly treasonous" work but that google could have been infiltrated by foreign spies from china. is there evidence to back up peter thiel's allegations? >> not that i have seen. google's response for months, we have seen similar statements, less aggressive, from the pentagon some months ago, google saying microsoft and amazon, our b

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joyce. i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. the speaker pro tempore: the chair will entertain requests for one-minute speeches. for what purpose does the gentleman from pennsylvania seek recognition? mr. joyce: i ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute. revise and extend my remarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. speaker, congress has exactly three weeks to pass the usmca before we break for our august workweek. and we owe it to our constituents to get the job done. the usmca will been fit every district in america -- benefit every district in america and lead to 176,000 new jobs and grow the u.s. economy by an additional $68 billion. this agreement will also be a huge benefit to my constituents. pennsylvania's 13th district is made up of so many hardworking dairy farmers who hav

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back with us, joyce and clint. clint, that wouldn't be knew. they have been trying to tarnish bob mueller's reputation. question former special counsel robert mueller in just 16 days. democrats aren't the only ones who are going to have tough questions. politico is reporting, quote, president trump's gop allies are salivating at the prospect. clint, that wouldn't be new. they have been trying to tarnish bob mueller's reputation. boy, they're going to try. >> yeah. it's a really kind of confusing way to look at this. i heard one of the questions, i think, it was to congressman jordan who was talking about why didn't this wrap up sooner? this could really play into robert mueller's hands if he wants to take it that direction, be a little bit well, maybe it was because the president couldn't answer questions or wouldn't actually sit down for an interview, or because attorney general sessions was fired and an interim was put in place and then another attorney general. depending on how mueller answers, he could make them look very foolish. that come

back with us, joyce and clint. clint, that wouldn't be knew.b mueller's reputation. boy, they're going to try. >> yeah. it's a really kind of confusing way to look at this. i heard one of the questions, i think, it was to congressman jordan who was talking about why didn't this wrap up sooner? this could really play into robert mueller's hands if he wants to take it that direction, be a little bit counteraggressive. well, maybe it was because the president couldn't answer questions or wouldn't actually sit down for an interview, or because attorney general sessions was fired and an interim was put in place and then another attorney general. depending on how mueller answers, he could make them look very foolish. that comes down to what do we expect from mueller, will he be very by the book, stick to the 448-page report? >> you're former fbi. you know about robert mueller. he's by the book all the time. >> he is. but i do think back to -- remember rod rosenstein when he went into one of those hearings, he's by-the-book guy as well. he got pushed

i mean i agree with joyce vance. if you take all those clips together, that cuts out a lot of the garbage and focuses on what he actually said. then you really see a composite of information that gives plenty of information for congressional impeachment proceedings recognizes it's not so much as a criminal law standard because you don't have to meet the elements of a criminal offense for impeachment. high crimes and misdemeanors really means abuse of power, abuse of trust. he doesn't have to meet the elements of defense. the elements of obstruction offense for congress which sets some sort of con next what they should look for but not the require thes what they need to find for impeachment. once you focus on this being more of a political issue because olc has taken off the table an indictment as it relates to the president, then i think he's given them enough. i can see him as being the epitome of all prosecutor what's a prosecutor should be, not going beyond the four corners can of the document and let the politica

at the same time joyce invested in technology to make this more efficient and build a better takeout. finally used his new consumer -- i'm sorry i said shut up that was very bad. can i cut that out >> shutout. >> i said shoutout, i didn't say shut up. that's bad anyway, they wanted to teach decisions for each brand it makes advertising more effective and boost traffic and helps them figure out what new menu items to introduce. this is about artificial intelligence in front of us and there is a catch joyce slashed brands as dividend, that was something that not a lot of people were expecting. know what i mean slashed it that's better. well street was respected from 97 cents to 63 sents a share to grow the dividend over time. dine brands introduced the five year plan like the five years it will take to clean up this mess. they forecasted earnings growth in the high tens and 10% margin expansion with roughly 20% that the after the dividend slash in response and the stock caught fire it's continuing to run and run and run as management as been able to deliver on the promises. it posted ex

. >> and joyce, youre going to run the program.i can? >> yes, the i can technicalpr ram where they study heavily in technical production. it's audio, lights, sound, arts administration, which includes hospitality, stage management, and then they also have the opportunity to study in scenic design. ec have special proj. >> they do what we do. a lot of folks around here do? >> exactly. >> it makest really exciting. wh are some of your theater productions? >> we havehe d.c. black tater festival that has taken over the campus for about three weeks now. july 7th will end the fesval time. yeah, we have over 150 artists that have represented and brought their productions to thearc and black box and are doing concert spaces. >> this is exciting for students. sideoung people on that of -- in that part of the city to get exposed like that. >> absolutely. i'd say over and over again it's a humanitarian mall. it's an oasis of ouortunity. yoan come there and have your hope realized. it's magical. absolutely magical. >> so, joyce, you mentioned video

not an easy thing to do and joyce has done it master flee as a guest three times. so let me take five or ten minutes and just give you a brief history of backstory, considering that we're four historians, myself, nathan, joeian freeman at yale university and ed airs president emeritus at the university of richmond, considering that we are four historians we know nothing formally about our own history. we can't tell you exactly when we started, we have no archives. i guess since you are all historians none of this comes as a great surprise to you. i actually did some primary research, meaning i went back to the oldest emails i had and there is an exchange in 2005 about possibly doing a show, it has had many horrible names, the one i remember best is the one i suggested, history hotline. that lasted -- lasted about three minutes, i think. the show started when a man by the name of andrew wyndham who worked for virginia humanities, which we are still housed in and they still support us, andrew wyndham suggested to ed airs and peter onif that it would be fun to do a ra

joyce can speak to it better than i can from a lawyer's perspective.re restrained in terms of what they could do and they didn't get to pursue this as they wanted to. >> in the one time robert mueller spoke, he said that his testimony is his report, that's his final word. it was clear he did not see himself going before agreements now he's going to go before congress. what's going to be different? >> mueller's going to have to confront two different realities. one is this restrained mueller we've seen throughout the investigation, the bob mueller who says my testimony is the report. and there are good institutional reasons, good prudential reasons for prosecutors to stay out of the spotlight. it helps them for one thing avoid from personal knowledging the outcome of prosecutions down the road, but this is a case unlike any other. it's the president of the united states, a man who but for, you know, olc but for doj policy that says that a sitting president can't be indicted, probably would be by now. and mueller may have to find a little bit of a break

attorney joyce vance, former acting solicitor general neil cattal and associate editor for real clear politics, and the rev al sharpton, host of "politicsnation" here on msnbc. he's also the president of the national action network. let me start with you two on mueller. it's hard to imagine a point in time, even in this presidency when democrats would have had to work to return the country's intention back to mueller. it was such a focus for not just the media, not just the democrats but for trump himself in the first term of his presidency. are they approaching this the right way, and do they have the right to bring the public's attention to the criminal conduct uncovered by mueller? >> i think the good news for the president is we're not discussing right now for the last few moments is the president a racist, now it's just are you a felon. >> he's got that going for him. >> the democrats are on the right path because the mueller report, it's 448 pages and really long and the people don't want to read something that long. but this is the first time americans will watch on television

washington, mark wagner, our bloomberg reporter who was in the hearing today, and in new york, we have got joyce lai, an attorney for consensus of blockchain companies focused on the cryptocurrency ethereum. we just spoke to senator warner,

attorney joyce vance, who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. jeremy bash, former chief of staff at cia and pentagon. former chief counsel for the house intel committee. and josh gerstein, senior legal affairs contributor for politico. jeremy bash, given your experience with this very committee, i'd like to begin with you. last night here we weren't alone on this broadcast in billing this as perhaps the most consequential day of testimony in recent years. in your view what was today really? >> well, there's one unassailable truth, which is that donald trump engaged in a massive cover-up to hide the fact that his campaign knowingly received support from the russian federation. just that one sentence, brian, as powerful, as alarming, as arresting as it was, never came out of the mouth of the key witness, bob mueller, today. instead he gave one word, staccato, sometimes monosyllabic answers. he wanted to be anywhere on earth besides that witness chair. i respect that. he doesn't want to be a political prop. he doesn't like talking to politicians. h

and that really, joyce, is an important thing right there. while it's all good right now and everybody's hanging out and meeting their neighbors and it's kumbaya, they do want to make sure that this remains safe. >> it was, i think, encouraging to people to see that law enforcement was out in force. there was no indication that ambulances were actually treating patients. it seems clear that these were heads-up precautionary measures. and the crowds, as you walked, for instance, down 6th avenue were very good-natured were, very orderly. it was obviously getting hot. but people seem to be still in that cooperative spirit, as you mentioned, this moment where something like a blackout can bring a community together. >> i'll tell you something else that can bring a community together is a j.lo concert and there was one that was planned here in new york city. >> jenny from the block. >> the 6 train is working. the acd and a whole lot of lines, the one, two, and three. here's a clip from what took place moments ago at the jennifer lopez concert at m

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attorney joyce vance., joyce, some who have watched stuff like this in the past, might go, oh, i remember, you know what, at&t, what it was before and they had gone through this before. but let's jump back to exactly what today's case is here. what stands out to you, will this be effective based on what the criticisms are of big tech? >> you know, antitrust investigations tend to be long, slow-moving sorts of animals but they do perform an important function, protecting consumers in cases where some of the market giants here have gotten so large and they'll look into whether they stifle innovation or have other negative impact on consumers' experience. so this can be a good, if rather, painful process when it's properly done. >> katie from "the new york times," justice department reporter, who's held many different hats in her journalism career, one of which she knows this very space, tech, quite well. that was one of her old beats. what's happening here, katie? >> i think for a long time the tech companie

only innd, joyce, not the united states.er countries, like a libra, saying they do not what libra in our country. does facebook need the buy-in of other countries if they want to have a currency that can be used everywhere? definitely need to get the body and from wherever they are operating. buy-in fromet the whatever company -- country they are operating in. making sure everyone is on the same page before you proceed in operating in which every jurisdiction you plan to, so, yes, while they do need india's consent and buy-in before they can operate in india, it is possible they have talked to different places and talked to different regulators there, and it is possible they have gotten something from them. bitcoin today in the middle of this hearing and the middle of the skepticism, are you at all worried about what facebook is planning to do here, that it is affecting the rest of the industry, and could it hurt the work you are trying to do? joyce: i am not worried about that. i think we are all in for the long-term. we ar

attorney joyce vance. thought i would start a news read with the battle plan to attack robert s. mueller from republicans in the house is x, y, z. ing robert s. mueller led the fbi in the terrifying months and years after 9/11. he's the only fbi director in the country's history to have his ten-year term extended to serve three additional years for a democratic president. where is the sort of wake me up, i'm in a hell cape of a nightmare? >> it tells you so much that republicans' approach of the results of the mueller report is to attack mueller himself. prosecutors are used to this strategy, when you don't have anything as a defendant, when you can't argue the facts or the law, you go after the prosecutors and it never works. you watch defendants do this over and over as a prosecutor and they never seem to learn prosecutors have only one job and that is to marshal the law and facts and see whether there's a prosecutable case. this strategy is dubious. the republicans -- and we have seen them doing this in

attorney joyce vance, former acting u.s. solicitor, neil, a.b. stoder is back. he's also the president of the national action network. let me start with you two on mueller. it's hard to imagine a point in time even in this presidency when democrats would've had to work to return the country's attention back to mueller. it was such a focus for not just the media, not just the democrats but for trump himself for the first 22 month of his presidency. are they approaching this the right way, and do they have that right bringing the public's attention to the criminal conduct un-earthed by mueller? >> well, i think the good news for the president is we're not discussing right now at least for the last few moments whether the president's a racist. it's are you a felon. and i do think the democrats are on the right path here because the mueller report, yes, it's 448 pages and it's really long and people don't want to read something that long, but this hearing on wednesday is the first time that americans are going to watch on television this guy former marine mueller, f

>> joyce, i'm an immigrant to this country. in fact, i'm an immigrant to the last country that i came -- i went to as well. so, to me, the association with immigrants and lawlessness is troubling, but to the extent that donald trump has created that impression amongst people, how do democrats push back on that without falling victim to what he continues to say about being fans of open borders and, in fact, encouraging lawlessness by not wanting to round up people who have been scheduled for deportation? >> trump has driven this litany that immigrants, and particularly brown-skinned hispanic immigrants who come across the southern border are criminals, that they carry disease, that they're undesirable. and it's important, i think, for democrats just to take a foundational stand that immigration is what has made this country great, that we were all, most of us, immigrants, or had family that were immigrants at one point or another, and that the entire point of america was to open immigrants with open arms. the real peril here for

let's bring in jonathan lemire, scott long, and joyce vance. joyce, let's start with you. your u.s. attorney hat, we have these two new charges potentially that have come across as of today. >> this case just gets more and more complicated. the reason that this story about payments to potential witnesses or co-conspirators has come to light is because prosecutors are heading into a detention hearing. they want to keep epstein detained pending trial. these new allegations indicating that he is prone to ob strublgts justice could potentially be very compelling for a judge making a close call as to whether to keep him in or not, although it really doesn't look like a close call at this point. >> jonathan, yes, these are allegations. and what do we know about what the allegations are other than what i just said, which is that an attempt to pay for silence here? >> you were right, that is what the charges seem -- allegations as you said are. and it just raises more and more questions about the handling of jeffrey epstein not just in florida, but also what happened after he retu

i'm joined here by joyce perez. reporter: when we were marching. as the music gets a little louder, perfect timing i guess. why are you here today and why are the events of last night so important for this island? >> the events of last night brought everything that was in the dark to light. it gave the people of puerto rico an opportunity to express themselves, for the world to hear us. we believe we were heard. we believe we have the results that we need to turn this island around. and i am here for every victim in hurricane maria. i am here for those that passed away due to hurricane maria. i am here for my family. >> reporter: you were telling me your husband's grandmother, virginia hernandez, if we can put a picture up on the screen. she passed away several months after hurricane maria. she had no electricity and no water. >> that is correct. >> reporter: how difficult was it to go through that? you lost your home during the hurricane. >> we lost our entire home. we slept outdoors for three months in a tent. we

>> it does. >> joyce, i want to ask you this, given that that is -- here's the white house line. it's an abject lie. here's mueller staying categorically that it's false. here's all of the stuff we know. what's the big message that democrats must get across on top of which i'll just add one of the places mueller went in the hearings that was a little surprise to people is the skep the he casts doubt on the president's credibility. he got as close to calling the president a liar as bob mueller could ever come talking about the lack of credibility he had in comparison to other witnesses. taken all together, what is the message that democrats could potentially drive that the american public really needs to hear? >> you know, i think phil is right when he says the president does a much better job of writing bumper stickers than the democratic party does. but really it's tough to take these difficult complex issues and turn them into a bumper sticker. i guess you can see the president is a crook. but the more important line for democrats to get across is that the president tried to pr

attorney joyce vance.er thought i would start a news read with the battleplan to attack robert s. mueller from republicans in the house is x, y,z. robert s. mueller led the fbi in the terrifying months and years after 9/11. he is the only fbi director in our country's history who had his tenure extended. where is the sort of, you know, wake me up, i am in a hellscape of a nightmare? >> it to attack mueller himself. you know, prosecutors are used to this strategy when you don't have anything as a defendant when you can't argue the facts or the law, you go after the prosecutors. and it never works. you watch defendants do this over and over as a prosecutor, and they never seem to learn that prosecutors have only one job, and that is to marshal the law and the facts and to see whether there is a prosecutable case. we've seen them do this in hearings probably most of the folks on the committee will end up seeding their time back to jim jo roadan and he will try to sort of bump rim shots off of mueller. but the

attorney and madison square garden contributor joyce vance.t me start with you out of the gates right here, what type of attacks are we expecting to see from the president? and how potentially problematic could that be to sort of the way we view the rule of law in this country? >> this is a president who has never hesitated to attack the intelligence community, the fbi, the attorney general when it suits his personal purposes. so i think we can expect to see more of the same. these attacks on the rule of law, and peter they're incredibly unfortunate. we should not think they're benign or harmless. they do a lot of damage to people across the country who become conflicted themselves and wonder if they can really trust law enforcement. that doesn't help anyone and it's inappropriate for a president. >> the president's position sort of evolved around robert mueller. before the report came out he called him an honorable man. now not so much if you listen to the president. anticipating the day two weeks from now, what is the most important thing ro

the one and only phil rutger, amazing joyce vance and the fantastic kimberly at kins, from wbur, and reverend al sharpton host of politics nation, and the president of the national action network, amazing to see you as always, and new york magazine's national correspondent, and infinitely talented, gabe. the whole nadler thing today, after all of this, will there be impeachment? will there not be impeachment? i was on television with you the night after the mueller testifi testified, we have nadler basically saying i'm kind of doing impeachment already. what do you think about that? >> well, he's made it clear that that is under consideration. that doesn't mean there's going to be an impeachment trial on monday, for example. there are a lot of steps that have to happen first, and we have heard speaker pelosi be much more cautious and judicious in her approach to this. she said -- and this is her word -- that the democrats need to be sophisticated in how they approach this, that they want to have the best hand possible if and when they move forward with impeachment proceedings, and by

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frank and joyce are sticking around, among others. so thankfully is nicolle wallace, with whom we turn it over with pleasure at the 4:00 hour. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> it was not fun but history. >>> it's 4:00 in new york. we're going to continue with our breaking news coverage of testimony today on capitol hill from special counsel robert mueller himself. donald trump and his first reaction since the end of those hearings just tweeted, quote, truth is a force of nature. for once we agree with him. in fact today's testimony revealed just a few uncomfortable truths for this president. first, that the obstruction of justice evidence, mueller's investigation uncovered against him is vast and damaging and it could be enough to charge trump with a crime after he leaves office. second, that the mueller investigation was not a witch-hunt at all. the list of lies in trump's circles about conduct with russians is long and the bottom line, the president's claim he was totally exonerated by robert mueller's probe is false. >> the president

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joyce vance, former u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama and opinion writer at "the washington post." both are msnbc contributors. thank you to both of you for joining us on a friday night let's start with you there are inconsistencies in the argument that alex acosta put forward in his statement earlier this week. very different from his resignation. he said things that others have come out and said are simply not true victims had an opportunity to look at the sweetheart deal he did or they had other avenues to pursue there seems to be evidence that he may have been in violation of rights that victims have under the law. >> you know, court has found he did violate the victims's rights to be notified it seems relatively clear that whatever they did in this case they made every effort to conceal it from victims, which is contrary to existing doj rules. the suggestion that you can somehow avoid the obligation you have to notify victims of the outcome of a case by not indicting it is i think just v

attorney joyce vance and msnbc legal analyst and pbs news hour correspondent yamiche alcindor who is also a political analyst. you had supervisory role, right? you had people working for you that were prosecuting cases that were running things up to you as the boss for important decisions to make, which is the role acosta was in. he was not the sort of line prosecutor on this case. were you persuaded by acosta's account today of why things went down the way they did? >> you know, chris, i wasn't, not in the least. and i spent almost -- well, i spent more than 25 years at doj. i was a line prosecutor. i ran our appellate division. i was ultimately the u.s. attorney. one thing that anyone in a u.s. attorney's office knows is that the buck stops with the u.s. attorney. and so this notion that he tried to throw the career prosecutors, the fbi, the state prosecutors under the bus and not take responsibility for the decision here to let epstein off with a nonprosecutive agreement really rang very hollow. >> yeah, that's one of the things the palm beach prosecutor said in response, yamiche.

attorney and msnbc attorney joyce vance. this, how does the administration argue we have legitimate reason for the citizenship question but we're change our legal team and not telling you why and not telling you the new rational for why we need to have the citizenship question. >> it really is a mess, stephanie, just like you point out. the administration is entitled to take certain actions and one of those might be an effort to add a new question to the census, but they can't do it for an improper motive. and so the pinnacle that they left themselves in is that they have been representing the courts throughout this process that the issue had to be decided by the end of june, that after that the census had to go to the printers and they wouldn't be able to change anything. now here we are into july with the government trying to come up with a new reason. and so the process begins to look more and more pretext chul that the president is trying to add his desire to add this question even though there's no legitimate reason and

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