david mccalen -- and rob joyce and chase. d.o.d. deputy chief information officer for the cybercurt with 33 years experience in air force and office of secretary of defense rob joyce has a career in nsa on collection side and defensive cybersecurity, side of the agency is newly return from london served a nsa top intelligence representative to the united kingdom. prior to that assignment he served as president trump cybersecurity coordinator on national security staff newly assigned nsa cybersecurity director. admiral chase confirmed by senate for a second star. congratulations, sir. he's currently serving as senior merle advisor for policy to under secretary defense for policy,la and the deputy princie cyberadvisor to secretary of defense i understand that time of three witnesses opening sames have been consolidated into one which will be presented by mr.-- good afternoonon distinguished members of the sub committee, thank you for the opportunity to testify today regarding the efforts of the department of defense to accelerate impl

first, paul, then joyce. one, the fact that so many police officers testified against chauvin, which i have never seen before. but they had this exhibit which we're going to put on screen that shows all these other officers testifying against chauvin. whereas he didn't have a bunch of officers coming and testifying for him. that's one issue. the second thing is that the defense tried to bring up congresswoman maxine waters, who has nothing to do with the case other than she like everyone else is watching it and traumatized like all of us and said short of the obvious, if he walks on something like this, you know, there's going to be more protests. people are going to become really depressed and dejected because if you can't convict on this set of evidence, what can you convict on? you know, now the defense wants to try to say that could be an issue on appeal. i want both of you to weigh in on that. paul first and then joyce. >> the judgment overboard on the maxine waters issue in its rhetoric but not in the l

>> as joyce said, they got the points out they wanted to make.ular, they want to show this was something unusual and it really made him very intoxicated that day and gave chauvin reason to fear. in general, i have got to say, you know, it's a hard place to be. but they are being textbook ineffective in the cross, because the cross should be very focused and make two or three points and out. instead, mr. nelson seems to be sort of meandering, repeating the direct, not highlighting what he wants to say, asking a lot of open questions. his goal should be to make two or three points and sit down. instead, they're getting caught up in a cloud of revision of what the prosecution said. >> to that point, harry, i did find it odd that the defense attorney was interested in the pet names this they used to call each other. what was accomplished by that? >> i think that was significant. he wanted the mama out because he is going to want to say when floyd is starting to be in real extreme danger and calling out, mama, it's not that he is delusional and thinki

>> no. >> that felt like a strong cross to me, joyce, because it's true.stand to try to create reasonable doubt in the mind of at least one juror so they can avoid a guilty verdict and this was not a successful day for the defense, i don't think. you know, the caveat, joy, is we can't see the jury. we don't know how they're reacting. it's possible that the defense has identified a juror that they're trying to single out, and hope that that juror will hold out against rendering a verdict, but nothing that we heard today was really sufficient and i'll make an interesting legal point, the parties give the judge their requests for jury instructions at the end of the trial, the judge will instruct the jury about the law and the jury is obligated to apply that law and the defense asked for an instruction on expert witnesses and the instruction that they wanted is a somewhat standard one that essentially tells the jury they should use their own judgment and use their common sense and they can reject an expert if it doesn't comport with their common sense and so g

joyce: mr. speaker, as a son of a civil engineer, i was raised with the understanding of the value of infrastructure that serves people and benefits communities. my commitment to infrastructure has spanned decades. as a young man, i put shovel to the road for the construction of highways and bridges, and now, today, i advocate for infrastructure improvements in congress. as we know all too well in rural pennsylvania, infrastructure has real-life consequences for communities. at its core, improving roads, bridges, and other key infrastructure should be a commonsense, bipartisan priority. failing infrastructure does not discriminate. a broken bridge can harm democrats just as it can harm republicans. unfortunately, the so-called infrastructure reform put forth by president biden fails to take seriously the challenges that we are currently facing in pennsylvania and around the entire country. in the rural district that i represent, we know the importance of true infrastructure. we need to make our

joyce once said , "to protect your network you have to know your network"which makes sense.t is an important shift of mindset. and it is a change in the way to be doing business. and i have become alarmed it is very common sense and important approach art to be adopted elsewhere i'm alarmed it hasn't been adopted and other civilian agencies of our government where cybersecurity with the department of justice where confidential secret information could be compromised and may have been in the microsoft exchange and solarwinds hacking. so to what extent can civilian agencies make use of this model? do you plan to share those lessons? >> senator, thanks for the question. absolutely we will share lessons learned. nsa has been embarking on a zero trust pilot. we have worked with the elements in dod and cybercommand to bring in the best of industry to practice to find out what is real. from that we have published a number of our findings as to what the architecture looks like. we will continue to put out publicly available not only to the department but other government agencies an

correspondent joyce lee is standing by for us in while the un at the funeral home joyce as we heard many families on the train were heading home for the holidays now they're identifying the bodies of loved ones how exactly are they coping with this . vicious a heartbreaking scene here at the funeral home and and. brought ones some of the bodies so torn apart by the impact of the crash and they are unrecognizable and the police have to perform d.n.a. tests to help with the identification process this crash has killed a number of children the youngest one is only 4 years old and most of the victims are taiwanese but they are foreigners including 3 u.s. nationals and a 28 year old french national yes. it's . ok we're going to we're going to jump away from from joyce there as we're getting some transmission problems there but we'll try to get back to her if we can get that line back up joyce lee in taiwan to washington d.c. now where a police officer has been killed at the u.s. capitol it comes less than 3 months after a mob are solved at the same location u.s. president joe biden said in a

thank you to chair pingree and ranking member joyce.usic to our ears, madam secretary haaland, how wonderful it is to welcome you to the appropriations committee. we'll all so excited about your historic nomination. the 54th secretary of the interior. and really, your passion on so many issues, honoring the commitments to tribal nations, looking at global climate change, resiliency, to our country's food system. what a pleasure it was to work with you in the house, and i treasure that friendship and look forward to continuing our work together in the administration. i'm going to try to get in two questions. your testimony talked about an additional $550 million included for discretionary requests for tackling climate change, our nation's public lands. the department manages 500 million acres, a fifth of our country's total lands. given the scale of that, i'm particularly interested in how we can use lands in the fight against climate change as crucial carbon sinks. in what ways is the department looking to increase the ability of public

joyce for his opening remarks. thank you madam chair and unmute -- but it is to the privilege to join you in welcoming former colleague member of the -- laguna and 54 secretary of the interior honorable deb holland if many of us dedicated with the treaty responsibilities to native american tribes today is a special day. so glad to have you here. let me xengsd a warm welcome to your principal deputy taylor former staff to appropriations sub committee, with an act for fighting bipartisan solutions to problems, welcome. secretary who'll land considering natural resources, preserving our diverse cultural heritage upholding trust responsibilities, our goals reall share while we will disagree on details remain united in pursuit of these goals and we begin this new working relationship united in the recognition and divide us i hope we can remember that we are in this together and only that working together can we achieve long lasting solutions. thank you for that. former secretary gail norton recently said every interior

what joyce just said, that the law is not there to protect everyone equally. so what do protests in your opinion, what should they look like? people want to come out and say something is wrong. what is most effective in your opinion? >> you know, honestly i don't think of myself as someone who is willing to judge protesters. rather, i think, that the protests indicate the depth and breadth of the problem. so we have a systemic problem. we have a lack of accountability structures not just for police officers but for the elected officials who facilitate them. we have a presumption of innocence on the part of officers but not a part of presumption of innocence on the part of ordinary people who we see repeatedly being killed when they are unarmed and even more than that children. so when we have a society that allows children to be killed by police officers, it's hard for me to see it as a virtuous society. so the response of protesters i think is appropriately outraged. outrage emerges in a variety of ways. so if we understand that protesting ultimately does not

>> joining me is joyce vance, former u.s.can you throw one my way maybe? >> i think two is about the max. i really enjoy doing #sisters in law and now insider with preet, two very different podcasts but i'm going to say two is the limit for now p. i'm sure you're getting a lot of knitting done, too, while doing these podcasts. you're often an avid knitter as you engage in a lot of these conversations. walk me through some of the shows. we heard a bit of your dissection of the defense in the closing arguments but what were some of the standout moments for you? >> so it's important to remember that the defense's job isn't to prove that the defendant is innocent. it's just to create reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors about whether the prosecution has proven its case. and that's what the defense lawyer tried to do here. he focused very heavily on the issue of causation and tried to convince the jury that there were other causes that were -- that the most important cause of the death that happened here. the problem that h

it's signed by a senator sherrod brown and 3 ohio members of congress representatives marcy kaptur joyce beatty and tim ryan. it is addressed to us. attorney general merrick garland urging him to reopen the civil rights investigation into the november 2014 death of 12 year-old tamir rice, samarra, rice and her family deeply appreciate senator brown and the ohio delegation of members of congress. >> weighing in with the department of justice. to me it was outside of the could tell recreation center when someone called police saying he was waving a gun at people walking by, although the caller told the dispatcher it was probably a juvenile with a fake gun that information was never relayed to responding officers. 2 cleveland police officers frank garmback and timothy loehmann arrived on scene and according to investigators, within seconds, officer loehmann believing tamir was reaching for the weapon shot and killed him.

vin gupta and joyce vance, thank you very much. joyce, don't go anywhere. you're sticking with us for the hour. >>> the trial is expected to resume soon. when testimony gets underway, we'll go back inside that courtroom. >>> in the meantime, joe biden developed a series of actions on gun violence based on what happened in just the last month alone. in march, within 15 days, three high-profile mass shootings in georgia, colorado and california. and then just yesterday another one in south carolina where a gunman killed a grandfather, a grandmother, their two children and another man at a private home in rock hill. the president's executive orders direct the justice department to issue a ruling on so-called ghost guns, on traceable weapons that can be made at home from parts purchased on the internet. the president says he wants those drug kits to be treated as firearms. he also ordered the justice department to propose a rule on stabilizing braces, and to public "red flag" legislation for states. today the president said enough is enough. he called gun viole

joyce, start with you on this. so there's a lot.ay there's a new line of inquiry focused on gaetz, whether it's paying for sex, sex with a minor. there's a federal investigation that's scrutinizing a bahamas trip, fbi, and widening its investigation including questions whether a trip to the bahamas taken with republican allies in florida and women "who were asked to provide sex for them." according to cbs news, gaetz an on was on a trip with a marijuana and hand surgeon who allegedly paid for accommodations and female escorts. hasn't been charged anything as of yet. how much trouble do you think he might be in? >> there's an awful lot here, joy, and the allegations aren't just of one kind. potentially of multiple different sorts of situations. it's hard to get a read, because no charges have been filed of how seriously doj is taking this and where their emphasis the greatest. but the real risk for gaetz is that once the fbi starts looking, they're not constrained. this is no longer trump world where the president can say, my persona

joyce lee thank you very much. and we're going to miramar now where the military regime has shut down the internet and protesters have responded by marching in memory of those killed by the army more than 500 people have died in confrontations with security forces the united nations has again condemned the crackdown and is warning of a possible civil war. after 2 months of daily street protests a symbolic act brings new hope to the cause protesters in cities around me and now burnt the 2008 constitution a constitution that was designed by the military opponents of the hunter have declared it void and have written an alternative charter but with members of the democratically elected government detained finding a diplomatic resolution is becoming increasingly difficult elected leader aung san suu kyi now faces new charges if convicted she could be barred from ever holding office again. her lawyers have only been able to say whoa briefly via video link. there was i'm not able to say whether she is aware of what is hap

joyce, good morning to you.love your analysis on how these politicians, for instance, who have supporters, who are part of these groups or encourage conspiracy theories, how does that legally connect to what some of these groups might have participated in? >> that's the ultimate question for investigators and prosecutors as they look at the january 6th events. obviously we have a strong free speech tradition in this country. and you can cross that line if you engage in speech that is intended to incite violence. the important takeaway from what we're seeing here is we're beginning to have cooperators who are working with law enforcement from some of these groups, from proud boys, from oath keepers, who will give investigators insight into what that connection looked like. the way i've been thinking about this is like a puzzle with a couple thousand pieces. i'm not sure investigators even have the frame finished yet. they're still trying to figure out the contours of the day's events. there's a lot of work to do

also jay russer and joyce vance. you all are msnbc contributors, phil rucker and joyce vance. rudy giuliani was warned that he was the target of a disinformation russian investigation. >> yes, katy, back in 2019 with the counterintelligence division. sure to become a fixture in one if there are charges going forward, because what this did was put rudy giuliani on notice as far back as 2019 that what the fbiobserving was a russian intelligence operation designed to smear joe biden to support donald trump in the election. we don't know what rudy said during that briefing, but we do know that after the briefing, he traveled to kiev, ukraine and met with a man named andrew derkoch who was later publicly branded by the trump treasury department as a russian intelligence agent. so, you know, rudy is now saying this is all political. for those of us who lived in the world of facts and reason, we can see that what's going on here is that there is a segment of the republican party, and rudy giuliani is a part of it, that doesn't want to believe anything the u.s. intelligence community

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attorney joyce vance, former u.s. attorney and former fbi official and law professor and former nypd detective. the judge denying the request to sequester the jury in light of the shooting and the incident in the minneapolis suburbs. plus the cardiologist has yet to be cross examined, but tell us also about john rich's expert testimony. >> i'll start with that news this morning. the motion from the defense attorney toy is sequester the jury. the judge denying that motion. that's a motion that you have heard eric nelson and the defense team make repeatedly throughout this trial when they initially asked for the trial to be delayed and the judge saying that he understands that a jury may have heard this, but their job is to ignore outside influences, ignore the media and to make their decision based on what happens in the courtroom, but in his announcement we did get a sense of the timing of this trial. he said that we can be hearing closing arguments for this case beginning as early as monday, a week from today. that s

when joyce. he. found out of their mom was sped because she had to stay with. the house with him he struggled. over the phone but she perished before he even came down here. so. that right there it is heard a lot and when we went to the funeral. it is joyous just said that casket all wanted over again he would just say mom. mom all over the would be in and out in the would tell them. to we all heard it he with his kids a little it just kids leaving want to leave it at that everybody with como kimo was going to be ok but. it was difficult because no i don't know who can't take that when you watch a mother so matter who. you know it's hard to like it be and they have to leave you we all have to go through it but it's difficult in george he was he was just. you indicated your mother passed away to me 32018. years and you described. seeing your brother george at the funeral is that right if there was it was around the time of your mother's passing the last time you saw your brother george floyd in personal life yes or. did you maintain contact with him on the phone

joyce vance, shaquille brewster, thank you both.ice opening statements are done and questioning is happening so let's listen in. >> it certainly would have helped us that day to enhance our ability to protect the capitol. >> you said why the order was given not to use less lethal weapons but are you able to identify who gave that order? >> yes, ma'am. the word we have, it was an assistant deputy chief. >> all right. mr. davis, you are now recognized for five minutes. >> thank you, madam chairwoman. and great questions. thank you for your responses to those from chairperson lofgren, mr. bolton. and thank you for being here. thank you for the briefings that you hung in there to give to me and to our members. there's nothing more bipartisan than getting to the bottom of how we prevent another attack that we saw on january 6th. you mentioned in your report that the department can improve recruitment in hiring and retention of officers. what steps do we need to take within the capitol police to do that. >> thank you, sir. one of the thin

joyce, the prosecution could rest its case as soon as tuesday.ink their focus will be? >> well, the prosecution, as we all know, bears the burden of convincing every member of the jury beyond a reasonable doubt of the defendant's guilt. so they'll continue to hit hard on this issue of causation. it seems very simple when we're all being armchair prosecutors. we see the video and we don't see how the jury could have any doubt, but it's the defense's job to create that. they'll try to do that in their case, so the prosecution will continue to hammer home the moral certainty that it's derek chauvin who was responsible for george floyd's death, that had chauvin not sat on his neck and his back for 9 minutes and 29 seconds, he would have walked away alive from that encounter. >> so to that point about creating some sense of doubt, the defense will recall minneapolis officer nicole mckenzie on tuesday. here's what she said on the stand this past week. >> if you're trying to be heads down on a patient that you need to render aid to, it's very difficult

joyce vance, i'm just curious. as it pertains to the concept, michael schmidt just talked about apps being used. i read about apple pay. i know a lot of lawmakers are coming forward talking about his behavior on the house floor. showing pictures of women he claimed to have slept with. maybe even some lawmakers pulled him aside saying we need your conduct to be better on the house floor, but legally, what is he facing here on the concept of women being paid through apps? what are we looking at? >> there are a lot of different possibilities for federal criminal exposure for the congressman related to this series of facts, and something that i've heard mike say before that's very true is that the reporting is likely just the tip of the iceberg. for this to have gone this far and to have become a full-blown federal investigation, there's reports the initial tip took place in january of 2020. so this would be a year-long investigation, if that pans out, and it's likely that there is a great deal more to back this up, bu

james joyce only some of what james source has written is sort of easy to read a lot of it if not most of it is is a challenge so no doubt about that there's a line in one of in one of his book. looks that identifies the number 3 and where quarks were 1st proposed there were 3 of them and so they said well let's call them name them after this and the physicist was sort of joyce literate and so there it became we don't know there are 6 corks not 3 but fine so you you worry that we're taking it to scare topic good labeling it with an obscure word from an exterior author from an obscure book i can't defend that but i can't but i can say in my specific field astrophysics we have the coolest names of stuff in any sense what's the beginning of the universe big day the place you fall in light doesn't come out of a black hole ok big red stars red giant maybe that this is. you know i've got to ask about and you mention in the book the this this problem of r.n.a. and d.n.a. everyone now in nato nations arguably think that there are epidemiologists ever in the next but now they're on the news all

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>> joyce, could it really be the mind of just one juror that could make this go from a conviction toacquittal? is it just one person? is this a real possibility? >> there are actually three possibilities here, alex. one is a conviction, where all of the jurors unanimously agree on at least one of the charges against chauvin. then there is an acquittal, where they all agree he is not guilty. what happens in the middle, and where just one juror could come into play, is that if the jury can't reach a unanimous verdict, we get what's called a hung jury, a jury can't decide. now, the judge will take steps to make sure that doesn't happen. if the jury signals they are hung, he will give them instructions and ask them to continue to deliberate and try to reach a verdict. but ultimately, just one juror could cause a hung jury. that would mean the prosecution would have to retry its case to try to obtain justice for mr. floyd. >> and joyce, look, viewers following this trial might think, given the evidence, that this is a slam dunk. but there are lawyers like yourself who point out we do not

joyce vance, thank you so much. up next on "the reid out." that was the pre-big story. president biden is going to deliver his address to a joint session of congress. for the first time, the president will be flanked by two women leaders, vice president kamala harris and nancy pelosi. it's the first such address since that house chamber was defiled by the january 6th maga insurrectionists. chuck schumer, the man responsible for shepherding president biden's agenda through the senate. "the reid out" continues after this. the bowls are back. applebee's irresist-a-bowls all just $8.99. i'm susan and i'm 52 and i live in san francisco, california. i have been a sales and sales management professional my whole career. typical day during a work week is i'm working but first always going for a run or going to the gym. i love reading. i love cooking healthy. it's super important to me. i was noticing that i was just having some memory loss. it was really bothering me. so i tried prevagen and it started to work for me. i wish i had taken prevagen five or ten years ago. prevagen.

joyce vance, what a sea change for your beloved department of justice, especially during the reign of bill barr. do you think four years from now, we will look back at this type of thing and, make no mistake, it's activist of the doj to do this, to send a planeload of people to arrive in a municipality and look at your police department top to bottom. do you think we'll look back at this as one of the hallmarks of the biden doj? >> it's increasingly looking like what you're calling activism and what i would call just simply representing the people of the united states of america, delivering the product that doj is supposed to deliver to taxpayers who pay for its services which is justice, and doing it by using the laws in an aggressive way. brian, i think the reason that you're right when you suggest that we should think about what this will look like four years down the road is because of the kind of leadership that joe biden has brought to the justice department, not just attorney general garland who is both a scholar and a practition of leadership, but moynihan who is the new attor

joyce, thank you as always. we will keep it moving because there is a whole other big top story i want to get to you. the fight back against georgia voter suppression laws. signs it is working. representative cannon speaking out today. this is the first time since she was arrested after knocking the door she works, protest the sec kresy involved as the governor signed that bill. >> i believe the governor's signing into law the most comprehensive voter suppression bill in the country is a far more serious crime. he minimized the deaths of thousands who have paid the ultimate price for the right to vote. >> activists on the ground in georgia say they have her back and they're pushing these big boycotts of many companies in the state who won't take sides, who won't stand up on these issues. president biden, meanwhile, agreeing with the major league baseball all star game, that it shouldn't be in georgia either. >> i would strongly support them doing that. this is jim crow on steroids what they're doing in georgia a

nancy pelosi and joyce beatty hosting this memorial service. live coverage here on c-span. >> ladies and gentlemen, the honorable nancy pelosi, speaker of the united states house of representatives. speaker pelosi: good morning. as house speaker, it's my official honor to welcome loved ones, colleagues, and friends of congressman alcee hastings to this celebration of his beautiful life. alcee's passing is a great loss for america, which is attested to by the participation of so many distinguished members, the presidents of -- the presence of former colleague, h.u.d. secretary marcia fudge, and senior advisor to the president, cedric richmond, and of course, the great honor for us, the presence of the vice president of the united states, kamala harris. thank you to alley seas family -- alcee's family, his beloved family, his wife, patricia, jody, chelsea and leigh and his grandchildren for giving congress the privilege of paying tribute to him with this ceremony in statuary hall in the capitol of the united states. >> ladies and gentlemen, pleas

attorney joyce vance. we were close enough here i'm not going to ask you to speculate about the speed with which the jury reached a conclusion, but i do want to come back to the closing arguments. the state set to ask -- they essentially pleaded with the jurors to believe their eyes, believe what they saw take place for 9 minutes, 29 seconds, to believe all of the testimony over three weeks of all the things that george floyd may have done or not done, but the single variable being derek chauvin's knee on his neck. just looking at the way they closed, what is your sense of the lasting impressions that the jurors may have gone into deliberation with. >> it was important about the argument trust your eyes, trust what you saw was made in the context of what caused george floyd ace death. the prosecution said you don't have to listen to the defense. for one thing they got the law wrong. for another thing they're try to go give you a bench of other crazy causes. they put up that wonderful graphic that show the

attorney for the northern district of alabama and msnbc legal analyst joyce vance. good morning to you both. charles, let me begin with you. 24 hours ago we sat here together and we -- you said, look, it just takes one juror, one juror to hang this jury. what happened yesterday, were you surprised that all three came back as convictions? >> good morning, and thank you for having me. once i saw how quickly they had a verdict, i knew that that was a good sign. at the end of the day, there are only three options that we were looking at. either we were looking at a unanimous acquittal, unanimous conviction, or a hung jury. and the reality is i was very much so convinced that there was no way that there were going to be 12 people that in that amount of time came to the conclusion that absolutely nothing that derek chauvin had done had left him criminally liable. so i was able to immediately eliminate the possibility of an acquittal once i realized how quickly the jury came back. after that, all we're left with is the possibility of a hung jury. we had not heard anything

joyce, for five minutes. mr. joyce: mr. speaker, i rise to address the house and ask unanimous consent to revise and extend rye miremarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. mr. joyce: mr. speaker, the second amendment is a fundamental piece of the u.s. constitution. the right to keep and bear arms is one of american's unalienable freedoms. this has been true for centuries. despite what the white house would like you to think, this is still true. right now the left is advancing unprecedented threats to americans' second amendment rights. just last week, the president rolled out two executive orders that would restrict the rights of law-abiding citizens. the president proudly announced he's willing to undercut our core actual -- constitutional liberties with his pen and i might add, without congress the president can single-handedly unravel our rights. mr. speaker, i fear that we are embarking on a perilous path. now more than ever we must recommit to protecting this vital freedom. instead of stripping away american

. >> i am joined now by joyce vance and chuck rosenberg, all of the legals here. he was in the room when president biden called the family. he was taping an interview for "dateline." he heard the call and reaction. the president said he wasn't going to say anything about it because it was a private call, but since the jury is sequestered, he thought it was okay to comment about it. >> i want to play the sound of the brother of george floyd from this morning on the "today" show who shared a little bit of that call. it was a call president biden said he was not going to publicize. but listen to a little bit of what we heard from george floyd's brother. >> he called. he knows what it is like to lose a family member and knew the process we were going through. he was praying for us and hoping everything will come out to be okay. >> the president also said he waited to make that call until the jury was sequestered. we know the jury is now sequestered as they are in their deliberations. we know very little about what's happening behind the scenes. the court says they wil

joining us to duss joyce vance, former university and professor at the university of alabama law schooltired chief police best. what are you watching for when the police chief takes the stand? >> stephanie, it's surprising, honestly, to have the lead official in the police department in this manner. the chief is going to spare out clearly some of the things we heard about before, policies, procedures, training. the fact officers are not trained to use excessive force and in fact they modulate their force based on the resistance they're seeing. clearly in this case there was very little resistance by mr. floyd when in fact the officer remained on his neck. so i have a great deal of respect for chief madera arradondo. i know he will come forward and spell out the facts of the case. while this is incredibly emotional 230r everyone to see how this man died needlessly in the middle of the street, the chief coming forward and being factual about the policies and procedures, use of force policy and training, will really shed a pinpoint light on what happened and really lead the way of the lead

attorney joyce advance, who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. also one of the cohost of the podcast sisters in law, with our friends kimberly atkinson, joe windex, margaret mcquade, and we welcome senator alexander chief of police in dekalb county georgia part of -- it also part of the obama white house task force on 20 century policing and indeed chiefs, that's where we want to begin with you. i realize it's against a backdrop of a kind of solemn numbness. i realize we have a limited time to toss you such a broad question. what stands out to you in these latest police involved shootings? north carolina and virginia, andrew brown, and isaiah brown? >> well one thing very clear, particular with the shooting in north carolina, they are going to, and need, to as quickly as they can, to release as much video to the public. when you give people a snippet of an entire event that was deadly as it was, you actually do nothing but do no more than just aggravate people when you really create a environment of further distrust. that's the one thing that nee

and let me take that point to you, joyce vance. do you agree with that assessment so far? what have you seen today that has stood out to you and how do you see this case moving forward here as the chief continues to testify? >> i agree. the chief's testimony is important and it's unusual. thinking back to excessive force cases i have been involved in, i can't remember ever having a chief testify as part of the prosecution's case in chief. he might be a witness or she might be a witness you prepared to use in rebuttal if you really needed them but not someone who would want to voluntarily testify and certainly not as aggressively as chief arradondo has been willing to. the important thing here is how he comes across to the jury. although we can't see their reactions, i suspect they're paying very careful attention. he is what i would call a new-style chief, a chief who believes in using evidence-based best practices in policing. he talks about meeting the community where they live and acknowledging police officers often see people who live in the community on their worst da

. >> joyce vance, will the prosecution on redirect be able to bring up that anton black case in baltimore or will that be ruled out by the judge? can you bring it up because he is an expert witness or not? >> so, the prosecution when they cross-examine this expert, they can test his credentials. they can look into whether or not he has bias. this is a civil lawsuit brought by the family that hasn't been decided yet. so the judge won't permit speculation about that particular lawsuit. but we can't really evaluate how successful a witness is until we see how they stand up on cross-examination, and so the thrust of the prosecution here will be to try to elicit testimony from this expert that shows he has in the past had a propolice bias, the judge will try and the defense but the judge will protect the record because this is all a matter of whether a verdict if the prosecution gets one can with stand scrutiny on appeal. so the judge will keep the prosecution from going too far into that dangerous territory of potentially prejudice information to keep and protect the integrity of any verdict

attorney joyce, to help us understand all of the legal aspects of the story, thank you both for being here. first, tell us, this statement seemed reluctantly delivered, carefully crafted and is his client, to use the word, flip on matt gaetz, but a by-product to a more lenient sentence. is that the defense strategy. >> quee are in the midst of a dynamic federal investigation so predetecting what is going to play out is difficult. but i can say what is going on today, is that joe greenberg has hired this long time lawyer from florida named fritz sheller who represented the wife of the pulse nightclub shooter who was prosecuted on terrorism charges and beat the government in that case, and for whatever people think about fritz sheller, he would not have stood outside that courthouse today, and said that if i were matt gaetz i wouldn't feel comfortable. he's just not going to do that without knowing the impact of the message that that sends. and the posture, the public posture that he is taking about his client. so i often think that we should never look at body language or try and read

attorney joyce vance to help us understand all the legal aspects of the story. thank you both for being here. first tell us this statement seemed while reluctantly delivered, carefully crafted. is his client planning to -- i know we used the word to flip on matt gaetz. but it's usually the by-product of negotiating a more lenient sentence. that his defense strategy? >> so, look, we are in the midst of a very dynamic federal investigation. so predicting how it's going to play out is difficult. but what i think we can say coming out of today is that joel greenberg has hired this long-time lawyer from florida named fritz scheller. and fritz scheller represented the wife of the pulse nightclub shooter who was prosecuted on terrorism charges and beat the government in that case. and for whatever people think about fritz scheller, he would not have stood outside that courthouse today and said that "if i was matt gaetz, i wouldn't feel comfortable." he's just not going to do that. without knowing the impact of the message that that sends. and the posture, the public po

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