no -- we don't know >> joyce. >> i think that is correct. we don't know what takes place in front of the gradually. we don't know what specific questions are asked and answered. but there is this notion that a federal grand jury is used to nail down evidence that is critical to our prosecution, one of the things you worry about as a prosecutor, as a witness, who might go south on you, when you are in trial and you need that grand jury transcript that is a written record of testimony that they gave under oath. so you use this for important issues. and when we are talking about mike pence's chief aides, his chief of staff, and his legal counsel, we know these folks were previewed of conversations where for instance, that they fake electors schemed was discussed. where pressure was imposed on mike pence by the former president to try to interfere with the smooth transfer of power. so these are those key sorts of questions you would put them in front of a federal grand jury to ask them about. and it seems very likely, consistently with the post

attorney joyce vance, who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor.s a professor at the university of alabama school of law, and co-host of the -- neal katyal, department of justice editor, and acting director during the obama administration, has argued dozens of cases before the u. s. supreme court. and politico's white house correspondent eugene daniels. neal, this is what zoe lofgren said on this network about money being used to pay witnesses, take a listen. >> we know that large amounts of money have been spent out of the fund that was amassed by the former president, and is being used to pay for lawyers, to various witnesses. the potential for coercion in that case is very obvious. >> the potential for coercion. what does the committee, neal, need, to prove coercion, and do they already have that? >> i'll be very quick, because i think joyce will be better on this and me, the one thing i'll say is it's not illegal to pay someone's legal expenses. corporations do it all the time. but, so too does the mob. and, the question is, is this -- is this

the board chose alan joyce instead. john borghetti: i feel like i won the olympics.n felt that he probably should've got the qantas ceo role. but, you know, a lot of water passed under the bridge after that, and it was much more a focus, i think, on the market itself. i think probably if the antagonism was sort of balanced out, probably alan was more antagonistic towards john as he saw him trying to compete. michael brissenden: the battle between john borghetti and alan joyce came to be viewed as an epic and very personal feud. at virgin, borghetti set about pursuing what he called his "game change strategy" to take on qantas. it would spark an aggressive and expensive capacity war unlike anything the australian aviation industry had ever seen. brett: i think what happened was, virgin wanted to pursue qantas in all segments-- which i disagreed with, still disagree with-- and play, i guess, duopoly 101 against them on that basis. i wasn't in the board room, i wasn't part of the management for the last ten years, and so i honestly am not going to call out ether it was

attorney and msnbc legal analyst joyce vance and former spokesperson for the house oversight committee, kurt bardella. he is an adviser to the dnc and the dccc. joyce, i'm just going to start with the key question most people are asking, how could any of this not be criminally investigated and found to be criminal, dereliction of duty or intent to committee a crime? >> if it wasn't already clear and i think it abundantly was, after last night the ball is squarely in doj's court to move forward. and the first thing that needs to happen, and we heard this a lot last night, is the former white house counsel, cipollone, repeatedly invoked privilege to avoid testifying about conversations he had with president trump. those conversations are the key. they're essential to understanding what trump knew, what he appreciated, what his intentions were. so he needs to be put in front of a grand jury and compelled to testify, if he won't do it voluntarily. there are certainly legitimate privilege issues that he can assert that can be litigated by a court. but the bottom line is neither attorney/cli

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joyce, i hope you wore your merrick garland dakota ring tonight. i want you to put it in perspective. how big of a deal is what we just learned? >> while it's a big deal, stephanie, and it's part of what's merrick garland i think has been trying to convey to the country in his very restrained doj speak. you are right, we sometimes need to a decoder ring, but you and i have this conversation around january 5th of this year, when merrick garland gave a speech that spoke very loudly to people who have that the colder ring. he talked about being willing to talk to people in the matter who they, were and whether or not they were present on january six of 2021. and that suggested to me that he will be willing to look at people not just the folks who overran the capital, but the folks reaching up to trump, and his inner circle. he seems to have confirmed that today along with this tremendous reporting from the washington post. >> he sure did, math, it was not an accident what merrick garland said. he did not rule out charging trump. have some people under

attorney, joyce alene joyce vance. she is now a law professor at university of alabama. also with us, national correspondent for new york magazine, gabriel debenedetti. it's good to see you, both. joyce, i wanna start with you. you have a committee member adam kinzinger on abc this morning, talking about the justice department. let's take a listen. >> we never want to get in a position as a country. what you see and feel democracies is where every last administration is prosecuted. but there is a massive difference between, i'm gonna prosecute the last administration for political vengeance, and not prosecute them in the administration actually attempted to fail, a failed coup. that is a precedent i'm way more concerned about. if there is evidence that this happened from a judicial perspective, if there is the ability to move forward on prosecuting, and you don't, you have basically set the floor for future behavior of any president. and i don't think a democracy can survive that. >> joyce, what do you think the doj is gonna do, and what do you make of this argument abou

attorney, joyce vance, who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. also a law professor at the university of alabama. mr. goldman, let's talk about these text messages. my boy, walk me through this. why would any organization, the secret service or otherwise, think it's okay to go through a routine system upgrade that might compromise data, data from january 6th, when there was a riot on the u.s. capitol. are we really supposed to believe this? >> so many questions, stephanie. the first of which is, is it only january 5th, and sixth, that happened to be deleted? i mean, i think clearly the most damning part of that letter is the allegation that these text messages were deleted after their request to preserve them was given. when that happens, when there is a request for text messages, there's something generally called, a litigation hold. but whenever anyone makes a request, you hold on to things, and you don't destroy them. so, it's highly suspicious. it's conceivable that they were doing some sort of a routine phone migration. but it is unusual tha

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today our friend joyce vance, former u.s.ttorney writes among all of the strands the justice department is investigating around january 6th, quote, there is one thread attorney general merrick garland and team should prioritize, bad lawyers. these inept and unscrupulous lawyers may include those cullable for the big lie and the insurrection, joyce vance joins us now. >> thanks for having me. >> why are these, why are these bad lawyers as you call them so key to the justice department's january 6th investigation? >> well, when d.o.j. commences an investigation, it is looking at conduct. it doesn't target people. and the problem with this investigation, i think this is a gross understatement, but this is such a complicated situation, d.o.j. has already charged hundreds of people, and that's before they have even gotten to the meat of january 6th. so if you're thinking about conduct, one of the common threads that runs through all of these potential conspiracies, whether it's the fake electors, the pressure campaign on mike penc

joyce that site here. the president said in an interview last, week it's already made up his mind, it's really just a matter of, before the midterms, or announced after the midterms? there is someone, else out there, that says, if he announces the run, it could actually help him, a little bit. maybe a good deal with the criminal defense strategy, essentially because you can politicize the investigations against him to muddy the waters. what is your take on? that do you think that is compelling? where these factoring into a decision he makes? >> so trump is going to turn this into a political witch hunt. if he becomes a target of a doj investigation. no matter what his status as a candidate is. he will simply use this to pour some fuel on the fire, when you suspect that what is lurking behind, this is that doj will have the most offense danced towards him, if he is unannounced candidate. that seems unlikely to be a big factor here. with doj typically does, is, it will go dark on investigations, that will di

joining us now is the former federal prosecutor joyce vance. joyce, good evening to you.st are by getting your reaction to the news. it's important because of the potential for this to be witness tampering. right? the idea that whomever it, is in this case is a pretty important person, the former president of the united states calls someone, who might know something about what cassidy hutchinson said, whether or not the former president knew that this person was in touch with the committee or not. tell me about why this is a problem and what you think about the story that is just developing? >> right, the core of this crime witness intimidation is the notion that you cannot have someone who is perhaps a target or a subject of an investigation, attempting to use any sort of inappropriate pressure to either hinder, the lake, prevent, or alter a witness's testimony. it's a very broad statute. it tries to contemplate all of the possible circumstances where someone could try to temper with the witness and perhaps, importantly here, it even reaches an attempt to intimidate a wi

today, our friend joyce vance, writes that among all the strands the justice department is investigating around january 6th. quote, there is one thing they should prioritize, bad lawyers these announced an unscrupulous advisors, might help lead investigators to those culpable for the big lie, and january 6th insurrection, join us now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney, and co-host of the sisters in law podcast, thanks for being here tonight. let's start with what you are writing, about an msnbc. com, why these bad lawyers as you call them? so key to the january 6th investigation? >> well, when doj commences an investigation, it's looking at conduct, it doesn't target people. the problem with this investigation, i think this is a gross understatement, but this is such a complicated investigation. doj has already charged hundreds of people and that's before they have even got into the meat of january 6th. so if you're thinking about conduct, one of the common threads that runs through all these potential conspiracies, whether it is the fake electors, the pressure campaign on mike pence,

i mean, the only joyce, what you're stating is they're isolate them. but my point is that isolating them has far bigger dangers, hulu. remember, lucy, will be doing anything as you ended up in of honest on i didn't miss dennis early mean military intervention. could you say use it is like what kind of influence could you be using on the packet on the taliban to try to, to, to speak out against this is what we're seeing it the actions towards women in particular well, do things again richard. one is that the atlanta son, people are extremely independent minded. if you try and force your opinions there react, but in privately what, what? but i spoke to the taliban delegation, her, they all brought women education. so what is happening in of venice on i'm, i'm not quite sure what is happening right now, but in private they always talk about that. yes, a women have a right to get educated around hun. we'll have to hope that these apparently private promises kept to so far. there's no evidence that they are being kept t. thank you so much your time mr. han

i have one miner disagree with my friend joyce.e talked about how there was -- about how pat cipollone of the white house counsel hadn't testified for the justice department, she said, as a prosecutor, you have to assume that's bad for the prosecution. i've never been a prosecutor, joyce has been an amazing prosecutor, i'm on thin ice here, all acknowledge that. i do think this feels different to me because pat saponi is invoking executive privilege at donald trump's behest. if there's any thought that cipollone would be exculpatory or helpful to donald trump, they wouldn't be invoking executive privilege, my assumption would be that pat cipollone only has testimony that is going to be harmful to trump, that's why he's afraid to go and tell the truth. >> joyce, would you like to respond? any response? >> i think he makes a great point. the way i looked at pat cipollone's testament on videotape in this last hearing, he gave every appearance of someone who wanted to testify for the prosecution. you've got to nail that down there was

i mean, the only joyce, what you're stating is that i solid them. but my point is that isolating them has far bigger dangers. who believe? remember, lucy, be doing anything at age? you ended up in of on a son? i didn't miss dennis early. mean military intervention. could you say use it like what kind of influence could you be using on the packet on the taliban to try to, to, to speak out against. this is what we're seeing it the actions towards women in particular . well, the do things again richard. one is that the of understand people are extremely independent minded. if you try and force your opinions to react, but in privately what, what, what i spoke to the taliban delegation her, they all brought women education. so what is happening in of venice on i'm, i'm not quite sure what is happening right now, but in private they always talk about that her. yes, a women have a right to get educated around hun. we'll have to hope that these apparently private promises kept to so far. there is no evidence that they are being kept t. thank you so much for

joyce, we'll talk january 6 while i have you. three days time, the committee scheduled to hold a primetime hearing on capitol hill, that hearing on thursday expected to focus on those crucial 187 minutes between former president trump's speech on the elipse to when he finally sent out the super i had i don't video asking the capitol attackers to go home. members of the panel say that they expect to receive by tomorrow text messages that the secret service reportedly erased on the day before and the day of the snurks. insurrection. ali vitali is joining me as well. what can we expect thursday, what are we hearing? >> reporter: we know this will be the last in the summer series of hearings. i'm thinking about it as not so much as the series finale but the season finale. in part because they keep finding new information, they call in new witnesses. former overstock ceo was with them on friday talking about in part that december 18 meeting that chairman raskin and congresswoman murphy detailed in the last hearing. so for the committe

but i'll ask joyce vance about it. breaking just moments ago, the dhs investigation into those missing secret service tex messages sought by the january 6 committee, dhs has ordered any internal probes into the wiping of the messages to stop so they can ensure the integrity of its investigation. joining me is capitol hill correspondent ali vitali, washington correspondent and moderator of "washington week," yamiche alcindor, joyce advance and -- joyce vance and former chairman michael steele and we are trying to get julia ainsley up on the reporting from dhs. let me begin with ali vitali. we're learning more about what's going to happen tonight, learning more about the secret service text messages and what might have happened to them and the intense behind losing those. walk us through, give us a primer for what we're going to see in just a few hours. >> reporter: just a few hours from now, it's going to be the 187 minutes, a sharp contrast between the chaos and violence happening on the hill and the inaction from form

joyce? >> i don't need it, nicolle. why would i need that?irearm is to protect my home, i assure you the one that i have will do the job. it's gratuitous to think that you would need more than that. and again, going back to the example of like iphones versus guns. if roughly the same number of new iphones were sold last year as guns, think about how many people's phones you want to take out of their hands because they'll fire off an errant tweet. we're talking about people firing off rounds, that's what's dangerous about this. it's just a numbers game. you put guns instead of iphones in those people's hands, some of them are going to use them, and some of them are people who shouldn't have a gun under the law, but it's so easy to skirt these gun laws today. so incredibly easy, that's why criminals get their hands on them. people who, again, under existing statute shouldn't have possession, but nicolle, you made the most powerful point. this is somewhere where there's a majority american view, a clear majority american view, and we've got to e

joining me now, luke broad january broadwater, matt miller, and joyce vance. luke, who exactly could be picking up these legal fees for at least it seems a dozen witnesses testifying before the january 6th committee? >> well, there are two funds that are funding witnesses' lawyers. one is the save america pac which is run directly connected to donald trump. the other is the cpac first amendment fund which its director says consults with donald trump and donald trump's allies directly to decide which witnesses it will cover. so these are -- they offer both free legal advice to the witnesses and then also will pay for their attorneys' fees if needed. this came to a head this week when cassidy hutchinson said she had to switch attorneys because she felt only with a new attorney could she be more forthright and testify publicly and testify to the wide range of details and explosive episodes that we all saw on tuesday. and so -- but we know that at least a dozen more witnesses have also had their legal fees covered or had lawyers suggested to them by trump and trum

of pennsylvania i inform the house that miller-meeks, comber, and joyce will vote no. and reschenthaler and stefanik will vote yes. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentlewoman from florida seek recognition? ms. wasserman schultz: madam speaker, as the member designated by mr. crist, deutch, and lawson of florida, mrs. maloney and rice of new york and mr. smith of washington i inform the house these members will vote yea on h.r. 263. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from pennsylvania seek recognition? >> madam speaker, as the member designated by mr. smucker of pennsylvania, i inform the house that mr. smucker will vote yea on h.r. 263. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentlewoman from new york seek wreck? >> as the member designated by representatives bush, bowman, pressley, tlaib, and stansbury i inform the house that these members will vote yes on h.r. 263. the speaker pro tempore: for what purpose does the gentleman from ohio seek recognition? >> madam speaker, as the member designated by mr. wenstrup

joining us now, harry lippman, former deputy assistant -- joyce vance is a former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. harry, i'm going to start with you. we will get your reaction to michael isikoff reporting that fulton county da fani willis has sent target letters to a number of prominent georgia republicans. >> so, target means he is really considering indicting him and it makes a lot of sense, jonathan. these jokers were in the room that says clean a case of sort of false electors as we know. schaffer, the head of the republican party there was literally doing the counterfeit staff in the room saying, nobody is saying anything. a woman happened by and they lied and said, oh, it's about education, et cetera. so, it's understandable that they should be in their crosshairs. it's also interesting to me because it suggests the seven people who were subpoenaed last week are not targets. she sees them now as witnesses. otherwise she would have provided them the same treatment. but these guys are front and center in the middle of the scheme to do phony electors. and you can reall

joyce, thank you for joining us.cial, joyous, for us to have the january six committee speak with both trump and pence under oath? that legal battle to make it happen, i don't know if it is worth it. >> i think, katie, we all have a sense in how this plays out. they will both be subpoenaed. neither one of them will end up testifying. perhaps it is that fact that contributes to the historical record as much as anything. we all remember when hillary clinton testified in the very silly hearings, she testified for 11 hours straight. she answered every question, she cleared the record. the fact that neither the former president or vice president would sit down and speak with congress about an event that is so central to the future of the country, it came very close to being an armed insurrection. that fact deserves to be on the historical records of these subpoenas may serve a purpose that far transcends any hope of actual testimony. >> breaking overnight, the january six committee subpoenaed the secret service after lear

especially fin>> and joyce, witl january 6th hearings scheduled for thursday, what would you like to hear from the committee, and would you think attorney general merrick garland will be looking for? >> hard to know what the attorney general hopes to get out of these hearings, jonathan. what's hubs is that he is looking to get his evidence. because it would be extraordinarily unusual for doj to be depending on another part of government to deliver its evidence. doj has far greater investigative tools, including grand jury subpoenas, which are readily and speedily enforceable, so doj can obtain the testimony virtually anyone it wants to, although it too has to deal with some concerns about people who have privileges, like the attorney client privilege would prevail. we but the doj's ability to obtain the sort of evidence and -- is superior to congresses. and that's something that i think has troubled many of us throughout this process. the fact that we have not seen much indication that doj is using the grand jury you might expect to see witnesses move to flush subpoenas. so why do we

joining me now is senior political correspondent ashley parker and joyce vance, a former u.s.orney and now msnbc legal analyst. ashley, can you dive into more of your colleague's reporting and how this relates to january 6th and really how damaging this is to the investigation when you don't know what you don't know? >> well, again, it -- the investigation has a lot of inroads including people they are talking to, and if you just look at that first bucket of hearings that we sauce, and we expect there to be more, they have found out a ton. that said, text messages and email correspondence, these sorts of things are often the most revealing details you could have because unlike someone like say cassidy hutchinson whose testimony was quite damning for former president trump, but it was her recollection. it's what she said saw and witnessed. it's what she admitted and said she saw secondhand. when you have those tense messages laid out, it's just very clear, incontrovertible realtime fact and these, of course, would be incredibly helpful details for the committee to have. >> joyc

we want to bring an msnbc legal analyst joyce vance to talk through this. choice, good to see you.know a lot of these laws come out of key swing states. if we look at georgia for example. just this year, georgia passed for election interference laws just seven months in the year. so how much of an impact do you think this way the legislation might have? >> well, unfortunately, these new laws are poised to significantly suppress the ability of voters to cast their ballots. and to have them counted. and what's so pernicious is that these new laws, the need for them, just a are the same fake allegations of voter fraud that we saw take on their most aggressive form in the wake of the 2020 election. pushed by the former president. but this is been a long term method republicans have used to justify aid opting the sorts of measures that for instance make it difficult for voters with disabilities. or voters with language issue is to get help. they restrict the ability of people to use drop off or drive a voting. they limit absentee ballots and how they can be cast. and the overall landsca

joyce, i'm gonna start with you because, you've been through this.l like you are the good work at this point. talk to us, is this a turning point for the january six committee? yes or no? >> yes, it really is. liz cheney nailed it when she said in the final hearing for the season that the dam was breaking. prosecutors noticed feeling, it's the point and investigation where the momentum switches, and everyone wants to come in and tell their side of the story. so, it's an important time for the committee. >> so, the committee has also, we now agreed to hand over 20 transcripts of the justice department. and this is out of more than 1000 interviews. so, do you think this signals something about their ongoing relationship? >> well, i think it was inevitable that they would come back together. this was sort of a family squabbled to early withhold transcripts, the committee want to have a chance to make its point without anyone stealing the show. but this helps doj in two ways. it lets doj get a beat on the witness, and prioritize who they need to talk to

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i mean, the only joyce, what you're stating is that i solid them. but my point is that isolating them has far bigger dangers. who believe? remember, lucy, be doing anything unless you ended up in of honest on i didn't miss dennis early mean military intervention. could you say use it like what kind of influence could you be using on the packet on the taliban to try to, to, to speak out against. this is what we're seeing it the actions towards women in particular. well, the do things again richard. one is that the atlanta son, people are extremely independent minded. if you try and force your opinions, they react. but in privately what, what, what i spoke to the taliban delegation here. they all brought women education. so what is happening in of venice on i'm, i'm not quite sure what is happening right now, but in private they always talk about that a yes, a women have a right to get educated around hun. we'll have to hope that these apparently private promises kept to so far. there's no evidence that they are being kept t. thank you so much for you

joyce, thank you for joining us here on france 24. performing here in the festival where the greatest african artist did perform. >> it is not my third time. -- it is not my first time. i started on this stage and i will say, nine years later i am still here for the festival. and it's amazing. it's amazing. >> i wanted to know, maybe some are as intrigued as well. define for us your style. afro blue pop. what's that? >> it's a mix of afro blues and hip-hop. we ate sing in different languages and french and english and my language from congo. >> maybe we can have a glimpse of your show just for you to know. >> [singing in foreign language] >> the congolese singer. joyce for us there. speaking to my colic. that brings us up-to-date with world news. thank you for watching. stay with us here on friends 24. -- france 24. ♪ ♪ >> hello and welcome to people and profit. coming up, legal tender or a way around sanctions? we look at the role cryptocurrencies are playing in emerging economies and geopolitics. the environmental iact of digital mo

appreciate your time, joyce. thank you. >>> one more story to get to tonight. someone born in the 1800s is making history in the halls of the capitol in 2022. that's next stay with us. histof the capitol in 2022. that's next stay with us >>> good morning. we're starting "way too early" a little earlier than usual today, president biden in jerusalem with the israeli prime minister. let's listen in. >> mr. president and i, we discussed saudi arabia. trying to build a more great coalition here, in this region, and we discussed the ukrainian threat, and to ensure there would be no nuclear alignment. and we ask -- >> president biden and israeli prime minister declining to take reporter's questions there at the end of their one-on-one bilateral meeting in jerusalem. kicking off the second day of the president's middle east trip. we will come back to that, with much more on this "way too early." >>> it is thursday, july 14th. i'm jonathan lemire. thank you for being here. back to the middle east in a minute. but now, to washington. and we begin with the latest on the

attorney joyce vance, former senior fbi official and former u.s. attorney, chuck rosenberg, jen palmieri and eugene daniels. chuck, following up on pete, as part of your career as leader in law enforcement, if in fact the inspector general is correct and these messages existed and were erased, that's a big deal if they were erased after the request to save everything because they were under investigation and wouldn't they normally want to save everything that pertained to such controversial days anyway? they knew right away this would be investigated. it was part of the impeachment right away. >> yeah, those are good points, andrea. here's my take on it. i can't tell you sitting here whether it was nefarious or non-nefarious and the timing of the request still needs to be worked out. but here's what disappoints me. somebody at a senior level within the secret service should have said, you know what, let's just stop the phone migration. if we're really swapping out old phones for new phones, let's hit pause because after what happened on january 6th

joyce: i thank the gentlewoman for yielding. i rise today in opposition to this legislation that would legalize abortion on demand up until the moment of birth. as a physician, i first swore in an oath to do no harm. as legislators, we cannot in good conscience vote to pass legislation that would claim the lives of unborn children in late-term abortions. this poorly written legislation would put our nation alongside countries like china and north korea by allowing discriminatory abortions based on sex, based on race, even based on disability. this is unacceptable, and it's gutwrenching that congress would even consider passing such legislation. this abortion on demand act would override pro-life laws passed in our states and prohibit state-level elected officials from passing legislation to protect unborn children in our communities. it is time for all members of congress to vote against this poorly written bill. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. mrs. rodgers: i yield the gentleman 30 additional seconds.

joyce, what were you thinking when you watched that exchange?pat cipollone looks like a witness who would very much like to receive a subpoena and orders to testify. he is obviously trying to preserve some of the integrity issues around the white house counsel and the president in hopes that there is a future where that comes in handy. but these issues of executive privilege and attorney/client privilege could be litigated if he was issued a grand jury subpoena by the justice department. and what was abundantly clear last night if it wasn't already is that pat cipollone is a key witness because he had important direct conversations with trump that will illuminate all of these issues that legal analysts like barb and i have discussed and frank and i have discussed that really go to whether or not there is a prosecutable case. what didhe intends -- >> sorry, i didn't mean to interrupt. do you think that is where this is going, a prosecution? >> so obviously we don't know what doj is doing. we'll likely find out when we wake up one morning i hope t

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joyce, i'm going to start with you.hink one of the most important things that we're hearing about right now is the two secret service agents who have lawyered up, okay? in the history of i guess investigations and secret service hearings, how serious is it that secret service agents are afraid to testify to a committee that doesn't really have enforcement power but they nevertheless still feel the need to get lawyers? >> so all pump the brakes on that just a little bit, jason, to this extent. a a criminal investigation by the ig has been announced. it makes good sense for anyone who is within the ambit of that investigation to have legal counsel representing them. what's a little bit unusual is the notion that they have hired private counsel. typical they might go to the agents' association which keeps lawyers on retainers and use some of those essentially inhouse folks. this certainly signals a level of concern, and that's what's so shocking here, the notion that secret service agents who are typically held in very hig

joyce, for five minutes. mr. joyce: mr. speaker, i rise to address the house and ask unanimous consent to revise and extend my remarks. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. mr. joyce: thank you, mr. speaker. as students prepare to return to classrooms, it is now more clear than ever that the lockdowns of the past two years have dealt a devastating blow to the education of our nation's children. isolation and a lack of hands on learning was detrimental with students falling behind grade level in both reading and math. in fact, new research shows that students have only recovered between 15% and 35% of the learning that was lost during school shutdowns. students are not learning the math, the science, the history, and the english that they'll need to be successful. and over the long term, the consequence of this learning loss could be catastrophic for our young people. instead of addressing this crisis head-on and involving parents directly in their child's education to help get them back on track, the biden administra

joining me now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama. character arose very late in the hearings, i had not seen any mention of him but it was clear that he was basically over there kind of helping clark. he was clark's collaborator on this plan to take over the department of justice, used to send out these ridiculous letters that would give the states the pretext to effectuate a coup and they knew electors -- it doesn't seem like a great news for jeffrey clark that his own lawyer is on the record saying, yes he, he's cooperating. >> it seems like really bad news, because ken klukowski fills in a bit of a mystery about jeffrey clark. clark's, as we all, know infamously, from eric herschmann's comments, he is an environmental lawyer. he is not someone who has expertise and election law. so it's always been a little bit curious that he managed to come up with these letters directing states to pick fake slates of electors in order to get this plot moving. klukowski sort of answers that question, because he does have expertise in election law

. >> joining our coverage, joyce vance, former u.s.or at the university of alabama. also joining us, frank figliuzzi, former fbi assistant director for counterintelligence, and ben rhodes is back, former deputy national security advisor for president obama, all msnbc contributors. frank, it was hard for me to -- it's hard to imagine listening to these hearings and this testimony of trump's enthusiasm for the violence, his knowledge of not just his supporters being armed but exactly what they were armed with, and to imagine these officers who were the frontline victims of that violence sitting through all that. >> you know, this theme of contrition is interesting. i'm told that people in recovery, recovery from addiction and who are in 12-step programs, are often counseled to make amends, apologize directly to the people they've harmed or damaged. and so, to the extent that we have a large part of our population that was addicted to disinformation and to the extent that our whole nation needs to go through some form of recovery, then it

attorney joyce vance. welcome back. >> to see you. >> you know joyce, we throw around so many legal terms i will remind folks that when you are the u.s. attorney you are in charge of the entire office that oversees cases like this. so for viewers you would be managing many of these, and i am curious how you would react if your line prosecutors one a case like this, this quickly, and what you would think of having the right to appeal the likelihood of success on appeal. >> so possibly the more relevant experience i had in my career was the six years i spent as the appellate chief in my office right oversaw all of our criminal and civil appears and argued an awful lot of criminal appeals and i would say that bannon and his lawyer is being some sort of miracle bullet on appeal is dead wrong. this case absolutely will not be reversed on appeal. they have done everything they could to do with defense lawyers call injecting air. they have tried to create a lot of arguments and owe the judge did not let us make c