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joining me now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney in alabama, and received legal analyst and the cohost of the sisters, podcast and hugo lowell, political investigations reporter at "the guardian." my friends, thanks for being here. it is a two block free-for-all. i'm going to start with you, joyce. let's talk in detail. i think this is important for our viewers to understand. if this case gets reminded back to the judge, which a lot of us believe it's probably going to be the happy medium between the conservatives on the supreme court and the liberal judges, let's talk about what that remand analysis will look like. what would judge chutkan do to be able to determine what was an official act, that has immunity, and a private act that does not ? >> that is the ruling that is expected, that instead of saying donald trump has absolute immunity, his position, or very little immunity, the government's position, the expectation after argument is that the court will say some immunity for official actions, that maybe not a whole lo

joyce vance is back with us now.k times" chief white house correspondent peter baker. co-author of "the divider: trump in the white house." joyce, what's the latest from the courtroom? >> well, the process is back underway. jurors are in the box and they're being questioned reading from their questionnaires. so this is the process that we would expect to see taking place. i think the fact that the judge is delaying the much treasured lunch break in this courthouse means he's serious about getting this process back on track. >> and peter, "the new york times" today has a story detailing the type of juror that the trump team wants, including just to quote from "the new york times" today, younger black men and white working class men, particularly public employees like police officers, firefighters, sanitation workers, those who have had bad experiences with the legal system. knowing what we know about the five selected so far, they don't fit these demographics. >> no, they don't. i mean, a couple of attorneys, i think

joyce vance as promised is back with us.the nexus to the new york case and also separately even if he wasn't involved anymore for trump this is another person in the elector plot that now is facing a potential trial. >> ari, they might as well mark that tape you played exhibit number 1 and that's in essence boris captured on video talking about the fake elector scheme he's now charged in in arizona. when that's added on to some of the other evidence that we've heard about that's publicly known, right? we don't know what prosecutors might have that we're not aware of, emails trying to convince officials in arizona that they should come on board for this plan to put in a fake slate of electors to try to tie up the certification of the electoral college vote, that makes arizona's case look really solid. very interesting boris epshteyn was in court with donald trump. he wasn't there for jury selection. wasn't there for opening statements. he did show up the day after he was inbe dieted in arizona. maybe it was planned be in adva

outside that courthouse, also with us msnbc legal analyst carol lam, a former federal prosecutor, and joycea former u.s. attorney. yasmin, kick us off here, what's the latest from inside that courthouse? >> reporter: 22 juror in that case pool going through their questionnaires. two of them already excused, ana, for quotes like this, and i'm going to read them for you. one woman, i have really, really bad anxiety. people have found out where i am. i don't think i'll be able to be completely here and fair. she was excused. another juror, i don't think i can be impartial. i want to be and i have every intention, but after the questions posed to prospective jurors and asking those questions to myself, i don't think that i can be, in fact, impartial. they're currently going through that 42-question questionnaire with all of those potential jurors looking to fill those five alternate seats, ana, so that leaves just 20 jurors in that potential jury pool now, the former president seated in the courtroom as well. he started the day off with his eyes closed. however, when he heard one of the potenti

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joyce vance is back with us.n your case, and also how this is another person in the elector plot that is now facing a potential trial and a potential convention. your thoughts? >> you might as well mark that tape you played as a government exhibit 1. that is an -- he is talking about the fake elector scheme he is now charged and in arizona. when that is added onto some of the other evidence that we have heard about that is publicly known, we do not know what prosecutors might have that we are unaware of. emails are trying to convince officials in arizona they should come on board for this plan, to put in a fake slate of electors to try to tie up the certification of the electoral college vote, that makes arizona's casebook very solid. really interesting that boris epshteyn was in court with president donald in new york. not quite sure what we can make of that. he was not there for jury selection and was not there for opening statements. he did show up the day after he was indicted in arizona. maybe it was planned

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joyce, let me start with you.al terminology, but there's this talk of jeopardy, and there is this discussion by jack smith to say, please make whatever decision you're going to make now, because if you don't do it now, we have a problem. what did he mean? >> here's the problem that happens with aileen cannon's refusal to issue a ruling on trumps motion to dismiss under the presidential records act. the reason jack smith says he's entitled to a decision now is that if she rules against him, he can appeal that in advance. he can go to the 11th circuit and ask them to second-guess. and the reality is that virtually every legal expert who is not in the trump campus looked at this issue says the presidential records act has nothing to do with whether or not someone is illegally in possession of classified national defense information. it seems pretty clear that the judge is in error territory. she's trying to delay ruling on that motion until after the trial starts, and here's why that matters. once the jury is sworn i

attorney joyce vance. joyce, i walked through all of this, some of what we heard today and some of the problems. your thoughts. >> well, i thought you were dead on the money, ari, because so many people expected going into this argument to hear if not agreement among the justices then at least agreement that what happened on january 6th was something remarkable in our country, that was separate and apart from other acts that we might talk about in hypotheticals and we really didn't get that today. justice sotomayor today tried to float a distinction for what sorts of acts might be unconscionable and she made the distinction when mr. sauer was talking about other acts that could possibly be implicated, possible wrongs by barack obama or by president biden where he suggested that down at the border crossings could be prosecuteable. justice sotomayor said the difference is what donald trump did is for personal gain. >> yeah. >> what the other presidents did was to lead the country. unfortunately that distinct

. >> joyce, your thoughts on the proceeding. >> well, i think that's really a great characterization because today and yesterday both sides had all their strikes, these are the strikes lawyers can use to remove jurors who they just don't like, who they have a bad feeling about so long as they don't violate any constitutional protections, raise national origin or gender doing that. now they have far fewer of those parentryho strikes. they have to guard them preciously. i think it's important to protect the identity of these jurors. it doesn't look like a jury that leans a strongly for either sid at this point. i think that's a good thing, something that should give us confidence in theg process. >> joyce, give us your reaction to that moment you had judge merchan admonish trump's attorney when you had trump's audible reaction to something a prospective juror was saying? >> this is notro happening in a vacuum. this is someone who has a long track record of using the megaphone that's strapped to his mouth to incite his followers against otherit people. this is someone who was the presid

attorney joyce vance and she's with us to explain it all.hem an insurance policy for himself. if you have some of the justices saying, contrary to what a lot of expectations are, that there's some presidential immunity, that you still should not do it in this case. explain. how does that sit with the supreme court argument? >> you are right when you say it's complicated. the full court press in this brief is the argument that there's no absolute immunity, no immunity for a former president for participating in criminal conduct. smith is clearly concerned that the court might see shades of gray. he makes the argument that even if there is some immunity, there is no immunity in this situation for a president who tried to interfere with the transfer of power, obstruct official proceedings and interfere with americans' right to vote. he urges the court to speed the case on its way back to trial. >> joyce, in terms of another case that is going before the court next tuesday, which could invalidate hundreds of january 6 prosecutions, these prosecu

joyce, there was a pretty interesting piece out on chris carter dory. he says there is a chance trump's legal team will try to get the judge to give the jury the option of convicting him on muscle charges, misdemeanor charges. what do you think of that strategy to keep trump out of prison? >> this would be a solid strategy but i'm not sure it's one donald trump will avail himself of. this is the stuff of first-year criminal law when you are in law school and the concept makes sense. it is sort of a math-based concept. we've talked a lot about the fact that in order to convict someone on a criminal charge you have to prove all the elements of that. prosecutors have to prove all of that. sometimes you might have a charge for prosecutors don't approve all of those elements that there is a lesser offense they can convict on so let's make that concrete. in order to convict him on felony charges, prosecutors will have to prove that when he falsified these business records, he did so with the intent to commit another crime and there has been some speculation a

joyce, jump in here. let's talk about the role of david pecker., once it's evaluated by the jurors -- he was the first witness and the feature witness of the trial so far -- is to take some of the burden to of michael cohen, who is obviously -- has damage connected to him being convicted and having admitted to perjury in the past and served time for that. >> right. that's baked into the calculation with michael cohen. he is a difficult witness. the government can't hug him too hard. he was donald trump's pick not prosecutor's pick. we are seeing this process that defense lawyer goes through in cross-examination. as vaughn said, they can't argue the evidence when they are cross-examining the witness. they are collecting coins that they hope will turn out to be valuable in closing argument when they can go back and argue to the jury. you can't really believe these people, they are not credible. >> the other thing, catherine, is this gag order hearing. judge merchan set it for next thursday. that's another week before dealing with the gag order. why

without -- to joyce's point, they have to prove all the different elements. he has pleaded not guilty, but if he is convicted, it is, i think, part of a larger story here for all four of these indictments. >> michael, help me out on this one. republicans like to hammer the point about crime being rampant in america on president biden's watch. they call themselves the party of law and order. what does that look like come october, and down ballot republicans are running with a convicted felon at the top of the ticket? >> it's yummy. it's just -- it's just yummy. it really is. i mean, i put a cherry on top of that, you know what i'm talking about? it's going to be very good because it just -- but you know what? here is the sad part. they won't care. they won't care, because it is all about him. they are so consumed by him. they are so much in whatever he wants, and make it you know, his success is their success, regardless of what it looks like or how it comes about so yeah, you know, the rest of us are sitting there going wait a minute. let me get this straight

attorney and msnbc legal analyst joyce vance. joyce, we're always grateful when you can join us. hear from the co-defendants, the attorneys today? do you think their arguments have any merit? >> well, it's really remarkable that these motions have been set for oral argument in front of the judge, jonathan. this is not the typical use of motions in linine, meant to argue legal arguments. these are essentially about matters of fact, whether or not the government can prove these two defendants had knowledge of what they were doing. that's the sort of issue that is normally left up for a jury to determine at trial. it'll be interesting, in front of this judge, whose rules have not always been straight up the middle in the view of legal experts, it'll be interesting to see how she handles these motions. >> seems like another move to stall that trial. unclear when that one will begin, but we do know that trump's hush money trial, barring something completely unforeseen, will start monday. the historic prosecution of a former president and, right now, the republican nominee for presiden

joyce vance is back with us.ome questions we've never seen before. >> you know, some of these questions are very specific to this trial but really, anyone who has been involved in jury service will find these questions to be very familiar. the whole point of this process is to determine whether jurors will be able to set aside any knowledge that they have gained outside of the courtroom, any prejudices or beliefs or affiliations they may have, and try the case simply on the evidence that the here in court and the law that the judge explains to them. that is the fair jury we say defendants are entitled to, and that is the judges goal when he lets the lawyers and perhaps he himself will participate to question potential jurors. >> one of the lawyers options when they hear these answers, they can challenge for cause, and then some, they can just have removed from the pool without giving any reason at all. is that right? >> right. it becomes accounting game for the lawyers. you get a certain number of challenges, per

joyce, neal and andrew are all msnbc legal analysts.neal, i have to start with you because you were inside there. we could hear it, but you could see it. what is your big takeaway from today? >> well, it was obviously a historic moment. i think that's how people treated it inside the courtroom from the very beginning. you know, president trump's lawyer actually wound up, went into the courtroom, he sat on the wrong side initially. he wasn't quite as familiar with the court as his adversary, the special counsel's lawyer. it was really two contrasting styles, and i think that's reflected already in some of the earlier reporting making it seem like, well, the strident trump made a lot of points. that lawyer was very strident in contrast to the special counsel who acted almost like a counselor to the court, not as an advocate. went on for hour after hour explaining his position. at the end of the day, i think if i had to count votes and i've seen over 400 oral arguments at the supreme court. it's often hard to predict, and i think this one

joining us now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney, mia wylie, former civil attorney in new york, and hugo, covering washington and all things donald trump. joyce, i want to start with you. we've talked often about trying cases. when you have your case in chief, that primacy is how you do this. you start and end strong when it comes to the presentation of your witnesses. was it smart for the prosecution to start with david pecker thus far? >> well, it was smart, katie, and i am reminded that it was you who first said that you thought david pecker would be a great kickoff witness. i think that's the case, right? this is someone who doesn't have the baggage of a michael cohen, and who tells the origin story. he has now walked us through the election interference conspiracy. this is now patch and kill to elect trump. that's the case that the prosecution will put on. they've done a great job of giving the jury sort of the basics, the land marks and the road map that they'll move ahead on for mr. pecker's testimony. >> you know, m

joyce vance is a former u.s. attorney, law professor at the university of alabama, and an msnbc legal analyst. jim messina was white house deputy chief of staff under president obama and ran his 2012 campaign. good to have all of you here. garrett, break down this potential witness list for us. >> chris, the bold-faced names won't be surprising. start with michael cohen at the very top of this list, the person who allegedly orchestrated all of these hush money payments and the two women who he orchestrated them for, stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. you've got a couple of executives from american media, the company in the middle of this buying their stories and the folks that i'm more interested in a little bit down the line, some of these former trump campaign and trump white house staffers like hope hicks and madeleine westerhout who will be able to describe what was going on in the trump campaign and the trump white house around this story that might buttress the case. the defense witness of course is donald

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joyce, heavy legal day, you are going first. judge cannon, heard trumps speech to dismiss the case three weeks ago, she finally filed a ruling today after jack smith's filing insisted she do something or he was going to go to a higher court. what's your take on this? >> this ruling has some good, some bad, and some ugly. it's good insofar as it goes, she reached the only result she really could reach, here, denying trumps motion to dismiss, at least for now. but, the bad is that it's not a final ruling. as we saw her do previously with trumps motion to dismiss on vagueness grounds, she leaves the possibility open that she could have a different ruling during trial. as we've been discussing, that's dangerous for the prosecution. if they get a ruling from her now before trial and they don't like it, they can appeal it. if she doesn't rule until after the jury has been sworn in and double jeopardy has been attached, they can't take an appeal. the case is essentially over if she rules against them or if a jury acquits. the ugly part

joyce and kate are back with me. his first contempt hearing was heated. the judge scolded him for failing to offer any facts, saying, quote, you are losing all credibility with the court. what is the biggest risk for trump as he prepares for a second contempt hearing thursday? >> so the biggest risk -- the statute here controls with the judge can do to punish a violation of the gag order, and the biggest risk is 30 days in custody. the judge can't exceed that here. i wouldn't expect him to jump straight, but typically you will see a judge impose graduated sanctions in a case like this. and the judge will maybe start with a fine and admonish the defendant about the consequences if he continues to violate the order. this is a very unusual situation where repeated violations have occurred. the d.a.s office has asked for a second show cause order. i think tim is dead on the money here. either the judge and forces the gag order or trump continues to come home at 12:30 every night. >> prosecutors haven't asked, but secret service went ahead and prepared in the

joining me is joyce vance, former u.s.the university of alabama law school, and msnbc legal analyst. and former congressman denver riggleman, who served as a senior adviser to the january 6th select committee. joyce, assess the strength of jack smith's filing for us. >> so jack smith's filing i think is technically very strong. he's covered all the bases. his main argument is, look, trump's not entitled to immunity. but then he tells the court if you find that perhaps there's some small area where presidents do get immunity, it's not this case. this is a case about trying to steal an election. you don't need to go any further looking at where there might be exceptions because this case is not it. >> denver, you were on the investigative team looking at what happened on january 6th. what official acts did you find in that investigation that trump was engaged in on january 6th? >> that's what was so tough about it, great to be here, by the way. there was also one or two layers between the white house and what was going on on

joining me now is joyce vance.first for your reaction, joyce. >> well, i think it's not surprising that we've seen this indictment. what's surprising in some regards is some of the expansion here, the inclusion of boris epstein. and kenneth chesebro may be finally cooperating but is not indicted but discussed in the indictment. this suggests that prosecutors in arizona have amassed the evidence that they need to go a step further. it is horrible news for donald trump the middle of his criminal trial in manhattan. >> indeed. >> he is an unindicted coconspirator in this case. >> very quickly. there was a lot of criticism of fani willis rico case. this is an even more sprawling case, as you said, with even more people we hadn't heard before, christina bobb, boris epstein. to me it's a vindication in my mind, at least, of what she did in georgia. >> well, i think it suggests that fani willis was the immaculate career prosecutor we know her to be. tim will tell you this, too. when you're a prosecutor, there's no arbitra

ken dilanian, joyce vance, we'll be joined shortly by neal katyal who was in the court. we want to hear from him. back to you, ana and jose. >> thank you so very much, andrea. i'm just wondering when there's so much talk about what is a public and what is a private act, right? and the questions that the magistrates were asking were geared towards determining really what is a private act, what is a public act when really, i mean, if you look back through history, american presidents have essentially acted as though they have absolute immunity when they are in the oval office on so many issues. >> absolutely, and i think it's really important also to understand that those very presidents also acted within the bounds of certain norms. they were committed to certain values and so what happens when you have an actor who inhabits the white house who has what seems to be unlimited executive power not bound by those norms. you end up in a situation where you have to clarify these sorts of matters in order to draw boundaries. >> it was justice sotomayor who talked about her bigge

one thing to add to what joyce said, it is tricky with trump you do not want to put him to jail.ut the judge puts in his order, this interesting point that maybe you will lose your statutory, not constitutional right, to know jurors names. that would hurt printed from knowing their names, you learn a lot about individual jurors and that is a creative kind of threat that is not down the line of putting you in jail. pretty much everyone wants to avoid, if possible. >> joyce, we have plenty to talk about on the filings we got at the end of the day from district attorney bragg and the trump defense lawyers. what happened with the judge's order, he adopted all of these arguments being made by the district attorney that i was going to ask you about. how do you think he will adopt this? especially the argument that this is not just about the judge's daughter. this is about every potential juror, who comes into the courtroom. every potential witness who might be called, who is out there thinking, if this guy can attack the judge's daughter, imagine what he can do to me and what he can do

attorney and msnbc legal analyst joyce vance. will we be looking for, or what will you be looking for today in the testimony? what connections is the prosecution trying to make? >> right. so the prosecution is at the point in this case where they're setting the stage for michael cohen's testimony, still to come, building credibility for cohen, who is going to be a very difficult witness, by establishing the events he will testify to. that they occurred. that the banker can confirm the nature of payments. along those lines. also, the government now has to begin proving the essentials of its case. the core of this indictment are the false business records, the 11 invoices, the 12 entries in ledgers, and the 11 checks and check stubs that form the core of the false financial entries that the government has to convince the jury beyond a reasonable doubt were made as part of a scheme to commit other crimes. so pretty soon, we'll see them go through the technical process of putting each of those items into evidence and in front of the

joyce, what are the implications of losing the confidence of the judge in like 48 hours? >> so, yeah, i mean it's never a good thing, right, alex? i think we're all trying to find different ways to express the fact this is the worst development for donald trump's lawyers this early in the trial, and their client has forced it upon them. if donald trump were a normal defendant, his lawyers would have taken him out of the courtroom, sat him down, and had a meeting with him where they would have said to him we cannot defend you if you continue to do this. they may well have that conversation because trump's posts on truth social tonight had involved attacks on the judge, attacks on alvin bragg, the district attorney, but he seems to have stopped talking at least for the moment about the witnesses. but, frankly, i think it's too late. the judge i think is slow to anger. this is very good judge, a judge who has good control in the courtroom. the fact he had this level of response to todd blanche's attempt to justify trump's conduct does not bode well going forward. >> what doe

so deadly is where the asked. likewise confidence syria. joyce representative and it was parliament says that if to have on failed to haile 8 that it in action would have only in boulder the israel regression a suicide. here in recent months, liaison is raising directly attacked in dress overall, both inside iran and outside it by fascinating and radiant ministry officials, all important people. they wanted to send a message to around the round does not have the power and capability of responding . but fortunately, the eye on g c has showed that it has the ability to respond around, defend the data national interest, an attack on the rating and conflicts on any soil as an attack on arabian. so, and of course around was allowed to respond. in my opinion, if a round did not respond, it would increase the possibility of more because it would make israel more aggressive. and many jews in the world are against these ready crimes and occupied palestine already. and ron, but in european and american countries, even in asian countries, many jews opposing brutal aggression of these honest regime.

there is a trend, i would say, joyce. include marilyn mosby in maryland, people got angry she prosecuted police in the freddie gray case. and tried to mitigate cases. they are attacked based on that. talk a little bit about this. >> yeah. so we hear the explicit appeals to racism and anti-semitism in these attacks. but there's more to it than just that. as you're pointing out, district attorneys, state and county d.a.s are elected by the people and they're responsible to the people when they set their priorities for prosecution. and beyond that, many of these were former d.a.s, these and others represent a shift in criminal justice that says these old policies, these tough on crime policies have failed again and again. they've led to mass incarceration. they've stripped black communities of an entire generation of young men and young leaders. and they haven't reduced crime. instead we have overcrowded prisons. we incarcerate more people than most countries. and we incarcerate them for longer periods of time. so, these new

one thing to add to what joyce said, it is always tricky with trump.ou don't want to put him in jail, but the judge puts in his order, this a very interesting point, maybe you lose your statutory, that is the right to know the names. you learn a lot about individual jurors and that is a creative kind of threat that isn't down the line of we are going to put you in jail which pretty much everyone wants to avoid if possible. >> we had plenty to talk about just on the filings we got at the end of the day from the district attorney and the trump defense lawyers. what happened with the judge's order, he basically adopted all these arguments being made by the district attorney that i was going to be asking you about, especially the argument that this is not just about the judge's daughter. this is about every potential juror who comes into the courtroom. every potential witness who might be called who is out there thinking, if this guy can attack the judge's daughter, imagine what he can do to me, imagine what he can do to my family and that was the real thr

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joyce, i wanted to start with you.alk about the fact that the day began before david pecker cut back on the witness stand, with the manhattan d.a.s office saying there four alleged violations, brand-new ones, of the expanded gag order, judge merchan setting a hearing for next thursday. we don't have a ruling from the first motion for contempt? so what is the delay, because we now have four new violations. >> we do. we have ongoing violations, and the issue that the judge basis is either this gag order has teeth and he will enforce it, or it does not have teeth and in which case donald trump can do anything he wants to do with regard to this jury, witnesses, or the court families for that matter. so this has to come to a head. the delay likely gives the judge a little bit of extra room to gather additional evidence, but the statute gives them very limited options. he can either impose a penalty of a $1000 for each violation, or he can impose up to 30 days of custody. there is no room to maneuver between those two option

joyce, my friend, it is such a treat to have you because you're the person that i will turn to explaintried to delay everything in this hush money trial. he lost on the gag order, on the immunity, on trying to get stormy daniels information from nbc. trying to get the judge recused, but he's trying to do that again. why is he trying to delay this trial so much or is it just all of them? >> reporter: delay is a desperation strategy that it is what you do when you don't really have a good legal strategy and you are uncomfortable with what you expect the outcome of the trial will be. you'll see the defendants from time to time, who will do just about fig to keep the trial from taking place. i suspect that we have not seen the last of trump's delay tactics yet. >> yeah, you're probably right there. but the other thing too that will be fascinating. watching the way that testimony from the witness like hope hicks, who we all know from covering trump world was always inside the room where it was happening. how will that hit trump? >> it is tough to know what role play will play here. and it s

joyce, donald trump is contending he cannot get a fair trial in manhattan.ou saw in the jury selection process this week, can he? >> reporter: this was a fast jury process. some folks have been suggesting it might take a couple of weeks. instead, it just took days. i think this was a fair process but it is a legitimate concern when you are donald trump and a public figure, can you get a fair jury? what we saw here was jurors who had some sort of anti-trump view self-selecting off of this jury under the process that judge merchan set up. so by the time the lawyers were questioning jurors, there were as many folks in the room who were likely to express a pro trump view as otherwise. at the end of the day, what the judge was asking jurors to do, which is what juries are supposed to do, tell them they can set aside biases that they have and decide the case based only on the evidence that they heard in the courtroom. that is what each of these 12 jurors and six alternates agreed that they could do. >> the jury is home for the weekend. they have time to reflect on

attorney and msnbc legal analyst, joyce vance.udge cannon has rejected trump's bid to dismiss this case based on the presidential records act. does that put this defense to bed? >> the problem with the ruling is that it doesn't, ana. the ruling is good insofar as it goes. she says she's not dismissing the prosecution for now. the problem is she leaves open the possibility that this issue could be resurfaced at trial, and of course for prosecutors, once the trial begins, the jury is sworn in, double jeopardy attaches, and what that means is the government can't try the case a second time under double jeopardy, so if the judge were to dismiss down the road based on the presidential records act, the case would be over. donald trump would be acquitted. prosecutors will have to find a way of preventing that from happening. it may come in the form of a motion to recuse. it could be another type of motion in advance of trial. that's very likely the conversation happening in the special counsel's office this morning. >> so dave, you say t

attorney joyce vance, has spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. hugo, since you were in the room, what stuck out to you? >> we should clarify and say the people in the room or the pool. we were separate but still there. the thing i think stood out to me was trump. it was very clear that trump is going to have a real hard time sitting there and playing by the rules of a criminal trial without having outbursts. i mean, today, he was falling asleep but without having outburst and saying things that could hurt him down the line like he has in his previous cases. >> i've got to talk about the jurors. kristi, you and joyce have interviewed hundreds if not thousands of jurors. what do you make of the process so far? i kept thinking, all these people in manhattan called to jury duty today. so many had to be thinking holy cow, am i about to get on the trump trial. >> one thing that was interesting is what was going on outside. the jurors were all outside for quite some time waiting to get into the building and as they are doing that, right across the stree

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with us, peter baker, msnbc political analyst, joyce vance, former u.s. attorney, professor at the university of alabama school of law, and msnbc legal analyst, jeremy fallon, former assistant district attorney in the trial division of the manhattan d.a.'s office and a criminal defense attorney. all right, vaughn, explain what we learned so far from davidson on the stand. >> reporter: keith davidson, a crucial witness who frankly we did not know what he was prepared to publicly testify to. he is somebody that has not been public over the last eight years, somebody who has not given interviews to detail his story. he was working in the form of sort of agent attorney figure for karen mcdougal and stormy daniels in 2016, negotiating the sales of their stories to the "national enquirer," ami and michael cohen. and is at the heart of this, in what the actual scheme looked like when it came to the actual execution. he testified, beginning in june of 2016, when he says he went to dillon howard, who is the editor in chief of the "national enquirer" with, quote, i

while the w correspondence records, as joyce is now from jerusalem, rebecca, the pressure is growing on israel from various sides, especially from the us to change its tactics and gauze. and tell us more about that as well. got as you heard in that report that you and he's calling for an independent investigation into the incident that killed the 7 international aid. wel, cuz the world central kitchen has organizations, employees were caught up in that attack is also cooling for an independent investigation. it says anything short of an independent investigation is not good enough that the is riley military investigation, just lacks credibility. and that is something that we're starting to hear. the ripples that we're starting to hit wider and wider in the international community. overnights a letter was co signed by around about the c, a senior congress, people in the united states to address to president bon and secretary state anthony, blinking, calling for an independent investigation into this incident and also calling for the whole thing of weapons transfers to israel until isr