joyce crumb department of human service so i will speak to the issue around domestic violence in our shelters. it's probably been a rule at least for seven years that i managed the family shelter with my staff, but the impetus around that rule is that when a victim is a victim of domestic violence and they're living in a congregate setting it puts everyone else at danger, so i must say that the way it was couched that when it occurs that they're all dismissed from the shelter we work hard with our domestic violence providers making sure that the victim is given hopefully either a voucher through the db program or we work with our voucher program that has a hotel and motel rooms that can house generally the woman, so let me speak how it is. it is general the woman that is the victim in domestic violence. what we really try not to do is put anyone on the streets so the shelters work closely with the victim to have them reach out to family members, or someone they can go and spend the night with. in regards to the meeting that was held it was a meeting held between our family shelter pr