joyce ladner. >> i had a stage pass. no one on that stage had ever seen that many people before. that's the major one memory. i have a lot of others as well. >> was it an energetic crowd? was it a me mesmerized crowd? >> it was a very friendly crowd. it was almost like meeting new friends. it was easy going. it was an easy crowd. >> was there a sense that eventually society would progress and things would change? >> there was but i think it had -- that had a lot to do with the expectations of the people of my parents' generation they had of us. and you know, also, a lot of black fathers gone -- were in world war ii and they went to fight for democracy and they came back and still had segregation and a lot of discrimination. so they expected us to be that generation that would change things. but i think if there was one symbol, that we all latched onto, it was the lynching of emma till who was our age at that time. all of my friends in the student nonviolent coordinating committee, sncc, remember his face on the cover of jet magazine and his mother had insisted they not do any cos

. >> i thought that was just wonderful bus because i too remember, and of course, joyce ladner was onecivil rights activist herself had pointed that out but that there were so many women who contributed like anna around hedgeman and so many of the young civil rights women who at that time were the more focused on racism than feminism, that came later with shirley chis yom, the feminism that black women embraced. but in those days there was so much racism that affected women and men than everybody was united behind ending race. there was no real grumbling about that. what i loved about today when john lewis spoke and when president carter and president clinton spoke, they did not censer their messages as they had skens ared john lewis's message because they thought it was too strong back in 1963. >> earl, let me bring you in. it is amazing how we an reflect on our heroes today from dr. king, to muhammad ali, people at the time, and we know this the fbi instantly deemed dr. king one of the most dangerous "negros in this country." at the same time he was on the cover of "time" magazine an