even though no one should be above the law. >> and we'll bring joyce vance back in. she got back up. joyce, what do you think of the fact that stormy daniels is now cooperating with federal investigators? >> it is interesting news, it is not entirely unexpected. one of the biggest brightest top lines that we have always seen in the stormy daniels story is a potential federal election campaign violation. an illegal contribution. and although typically those are administrative matters, they can be criminal matters particularly if there was an intentional violation of either contribution limits or another portion of the statute. so there is definitely some work for prosecutors to do as they flush out her story. >> so according to report, stormy daniels payment is also the karen mcdougal payment and any documents related to the national quier for her story. and also michael cohen owns a lot of maedalliomedallions. and they were really valuable. they would sell for upwards of a million dollars. one of the best investments you could make. now their stral has plummeted signi

joining us now jill wine-banks, joyce vance, and jennifer rubin. all three are msnbc contributors. jill wine-banks i want to go back wards through what we heard about this possibility of a sealed indictment and how that might secure the future of the investigation even if somehow rod rosenstein or robert mueller were fired. >> it is a very intriguing concept. but i think there are actually better ways to protect the case that mueller may be developing. first of all, all of this assumes that there is a strong enough case for an indictment. and if there is a strong enough case for an indictment, you have to overcome the possible argument that a sitting president can't be indicted. if you can overcome that then i think you should go ahead with an indictment. i believe that a sitting president can be indicted, and that he could even be tried, some have suggested that he couldn't be tried because of his schedule. i think his schedule could be accommodated. the 25th amendment might be the appropriate use here to allow someone else to manage the office while he's defending himself. so if

attorney joyce vance. joyce, let me start with you because a former federal prosecutor said to me tonight, ignore the u.s. attorney's manual. there are two things that they had to have suspected michael cohen of doing to have obtained this search warrant. one, either he was non-responsive to subpoenas, or, two, they have evidence or suspicion that he was destroying evidence. your thoughts? >> i think it's unlikely that he was just non-responsive to subpoenas. i think that they would have continued to try to work that out. that leaves me with the choice behind door "b," the fact that they believe there was evidence that was at risk of destruction. and also that they believe that they were entitled to pierce this veil that really covers lawyer-client conversations and communications in secrecy, and there was probable cause to believe that there was evidence of criminality that superseded that privilege so that it was appropriate for them to go in and collect evidence. >> so we listened to that sound together.

but as joyce vance -- i actually interviewed her, and she pointed out that this is behavior that's reminiscent oof a lot of criminal defendants she's encountered. >> i noticed that and took near parental joy in seeing joyce's quote in the body of your piece. it was fantastic. julia, i have a dramatic reading for you to react to. this is "the washington post" reporting. let's call this segment meet the raskins. quote, trump hired the raskins after meeting them for the first time. the decision was overshadowed by the simultaneous announcement that formaler new york city mayor rudolph w. giuliani would also join the team and take the lead in negotiating with mueller. but the raskins could play as important a role in the case escalates. they have both tried and defended clients in criminal cases and in hardball negotiations with prosecutors, skills that trump would need if the mueller case escalates. among their early assignments is to try to use attorney/client protections to try to keep investigators from scouring trump's communications with his personal lawyer michael cohen who's under federal

attorney joyce vance, who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. welcome to you all. jonathan, i'll start with you. how does comey come across in this book? corollarily, how does trump come across in this book? >> among james comey's final words in this book, in his epilogue, he says donald trump's presidency threatens much of what is good about this nation. he holds little back. it is a scathing indictment of the president both on high-minded ideals and also a handful of cheap shots. he sort of mentions that when he does finally meet him in trump tower in january 2017, he notices trump's hand size. though he notes that trump's hand size seems to be of normal proportions, that comey's hands himself were bigger. he notes that his skin was orange, that he seemed to have the outlines of where his tanning goggles may have been. repeatedly he goes back to the idea that the president seem ill suited to the job and not up to it and ill qualified in temperament to be president of the united states. that he often, as indicated there, seemed to have a mob-like mentality about i

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attorney joyce vance, she is a professor at the universe of alabama law school and an msnbc contributor. matt, you are one of the authors of that piece. >> sure. >> what is the thinking? why would fbi agents be looking for information related to the access hollywood tapes given they went public? >> right, is he what you have to do is you look at all the different things that we know that the fbi is looking at here. they are looking at the payments to women who claimed that they had affairs with president trump. and one of the things they are looking at is was michael cohen essentially facilitating payments to buy their silence? and if so, was that a campaign contribution? did that violate any banking laws? and then look, the access hollywood tape came out at crucial time. i think what the justice department is looking sat did michael cohen play any role in trying to tamp down the release of that video? did he have any role in sort of reacting to that video? and they had -- there was a catch-all after that that said we also want to know what else, you know, what other negative stories or

joining us now are jill wine banks and msnbc contributor, joyce vance is a former federal prosecutor and professor at the university of alabama law school. and david corn is the bureau chief for mother jones and co author of russian roulette, the inside story of putin's war on america and the election of donald trump. he's an msnbc political analyst. jill, let me start with you, the idea that the president is getting ready to sit down with donald trump as early in the planning stages as that may be, first of all, would that be donald trump and his team's decision, and if so, what does that tell you? >> first of all, i think it's interesting they're saying its in its infancy in preparation and it's short and informal, which is exactly what you would expect from a president who doesn't read and doesn't have a very big attention span. no it isn't his choice. he can ask anyone he wants, the president would have to invoke a fifth amendment privilege. which he would keep with him. there is no protection if he committed a crime. >> let's talk a little bit about this. >> in january donald tr

joyce vance, former u.s.ppreciate your time tonight, joyce, thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> all right. we'll be right back. stay with us. makes the complex simple, giving you super hero levels of confidence. understand the details and get approved in as few as eight minutes so nothing stands in your way. rocket mortgage: america's largest mortgage lender. marvel studios' "avengers: infinity war" in theaters april 27th. tripadvisor compares prices from over 200 booking sites to time to bask... in low prices! find the right hotel for you at the lowest price. refreshing, isn't it?. tripadvisor. >>> the most vulnerable republican in the united states senate is widely considered to be this guy. nevada senator dean hellehellers up for election. there's a lot of press interest in dean heller because of that vulnerability, and he doesn't do a lot of interviews. interesting that means the news that's been out is what's leaked from an event he spoke where he thought it was in private. politico said he hopes supr

this busy news night, to help us understand what's going on, we are very lucky to be joined by joyce vance u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama. joyce, it's great to have you here tonight. thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> so we got new filings last night from the special counsel's office that say once again that there are law enforcement offices that aren't part of the special counsel's office that are involved in their investigation. in this case, its fbi's international corruption unit and a u.s. attorney's office in virginia who were part of -- or who got the warrants against paul manafort that are now being fought over in court. that significant in terms of the durability of that investigation, given all the threats to mueller's office? >> you know, i think it is significant. the justice department, we sometimes laugh and say that we're the biggest, you know law firm in the country. we have offices every place. and that really could matter in the mueller investigation, because if you say he was somehow, you know, to disappear up into the ether without

joyce vance, and john car len, former assistant attorney general for the justice department's national security division is here. let me start with you phill rucker and that fantastic reporting you and your colleagues had about why the president is so unhinged by monday's raid of michael cohen and perhaps paying closer attention to michael cohen's legal exposure and ups and downs and even his own at this hour. >> yes, it was a great story by my colleagues last night and it shows michael cohen recorded many of the conversations he had on the phone. in his office he'd play it back sometimes to colleagues. and there's heightened concern in the white house and among the president's friends and close advisers that there may be incriminating and rather damages information on those tapes ceased by the fbi in monday's raids. >> joyce vance take us through what sort of trouble michael cohen is in. if these are the proceedings and this confirmation from the u.s. attorney's office, from prosecutors there, these undercriminal investigation there, take us how through that is separate and apart from

joyce vance, former u.s.attorney from alabama, really appreciate your time tonight, joyce, thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> all right. we'll be right back. stay with us. >>> the most vulnerable republican in the united states senate is widely considered to be this guy. nevada senator dean heller, he's up for election. in a state that donald trump lost in 2016. there's a lot of press interest in dean heller because of that vulnerability, and he doesn't do a lot of interviews. interestingly, that means the news dean heller has made is when someone has leaked from an event he spoke at where he thought it was in private. politico has audio from an event what he thought was private event, saying he hopes supreme court justice anthony kennedy retires this year otherwise he says republicans might be in for a route in november. >> i believe that we're gonna have another supreme court justice this year. i think kennedy is going to retire sometime early summer. that being the case, republicans are going to have a

i turn to joyce vance and neera tandem. joyce, what do you think is happening here and who is leaking this? >> well, it's interesting and one of the most interesting things that's going on is we don't know what the source of the leaks are. we know that the president has been vehement in demanding that all leaks be run down. he's taken some stern stances there. perhaps the only leak he hasn't insisted be run down is this leak that apparently came out of the new york fbi in the days ahead of the election. but trump is starting to look concerned around the edges and frayed around the edges as pinsers move in on him from the cohen investigation and the ongoing aspects of the mueller investigation. the next week i think we'll see whether he makes a decision about moving in on rosenstein and trying to fire him, or whether he will follow what we understand -- i didn't take it, ari, to be a firm warning but a somewhat weaker warning where attorney general sessions said he might have to consider his position were rosenstein fired. >>

thank you congressman and joyce vance and eli, my colleague here. coming up, the cohen threat. trump's allies are warning that cohen may flip. cohen has said he'll take a bullet for trump but will he do 15 years for him? plus trump warns he'll walk out of a meeting with kim jong un if talks aren't going in the wrong direction. they're not demanding to us depart from the 38th parallel, which is good news. president trump said people don't realize the korean war hasn't ended. isn't that a pattern with the president? every time he learns something new, which is frequently, he declares the rest of us didn't know it before either. isn't that democratic? and i'm talking about the start of the revolution started april 19, 1775. this is "hard dball" where the action is. and don't worry i have everything handled. i already spoke to our allstate agent, and i know that we have accident forgiveness. which is so smart on your guy's part. like fact that they'll just... forgive you... four weeks without the car. okay, yup. good night. with accident forgiveness your rates won't go up just beca

joining us, joyce vance, former u.s. aory and izabeth holtzman who voted to impea president nixon and currently counsel with har rick and fine stean. i want to get to you, joyce. the process by which robert mueller has to submit a report to rod rosenstein and then it's rosenstein's decision how that comes out, to make it public, writes a report of his own, or submits it to congress and congress has to decide what to do with it. walk me through how that usually happens. >> i think it's hard to talk about how it usually happens because it's such an unusual and rare kind of a situation. but one thing that we know about rod rosenstein, he certainly has his did etractors, but he belie in the justice department as an institution. he's a firm believer in the rule of law. so on there's a quirk here which is that much of what the evidence mueller is gathering is coming in through the grand jury. and that material they likely won't be able to release, so perhaps there will be some sort of an edited version or perhaps a summary vers

white house bureau chief for the "washington post," joyce vance, a former u.s. attorney, now an msnbc contributor and frank figluzzi, former fbi assistant director for counterintelligence. as you can see, i'm having a battle with the teleprompter already. let me start with you, joyce, and a man, a moment, and a whole lot of legal bills, michael cohen. take it away. >> michael cohen is looking like the focal point for this investigation, or at least one of the focal points right now and the reason for that, nicolle, i think is because he brings together a lot of the disparate threats in this investigation that all lead back toward the trump campaign's relationship with russia. cohen was around in 2015 when and at that time cohen said he had not spent a million dollars on polling reports just to let them sit on his bookshelf and gather dust so special counsel will scrutinize russian relationships, that far back or earlier to see if these threads chase that far back and if they play out in the 2016 meetings or in other parts of the campaign. >> we know from your re

i want to bring in joyce vance, msnbc contributor and a former u.s. attorney. thanks for being here today. let me start with the news that's developing that ken dilanian teed up for us. t"the wall street journal," the associated press reporting that it was vladimir putin who called who mike flynn didn't tell the president about right away, the president got very frustrated about that. potentially interesting, certainly. what do you make of that? what's the significance there to you? >> we're just learning about this inclusion in comey's memo now, but presumably mueller's team has had comey's memos really for months now and this would be part of the focus of their investigation. mueller's core charge is to understand the relationship, if any, between the campaign and russia. and these comments as intriguing to us as they are today are certain to have been thoroughly investigated by mueller's folks at this point in time. >> you also heard ken talk about what he believes is one of the most significant pieces of the comey memos. he knows correctly a lot of this is

attorney joyce vance who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. michael crowley is back with us as well, national senior editor from political co, and sam stei politics editor for the daily beast. good evening and welcome to you all. michael, are we living in a new age when we're not surprised to learn of the planned meeting with putin from the other side, from the russians? >> no, it shouldn't be surprising. we've learned a lot of things about president donald trump from russian media, russian spokesmen. when he met with the russian ambassador in the oval office about a year ago, it was russian media that published the first photographs of that exchange showing everybody having a good laugh. it was a kremlin readout of that march 20th phone call was the first public information we had about the conversation. and then today the russians are telling us again for the first time that trump had extended invitation for putin to come to the white house. so the first striking thing is that the kremlin is the source of this information that trump has invi

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developments from the white house, former chief spokesman from the justice department matt miller and joyce vance, former u.s. attorney. both matt and joyce msnbc analysts. tom, let's start with you and the dramatic twists and turns which i heard from two friends at fox news, shocked them there in their workplace. but sean hannity now playing a role in this cohen legal drama. >> so, nicole, this all came up because earlier today michael cohen in a legal filing through his attorneys said that he's represented two clients -- three clients, rather, in the past two years. president trump, of course, because that's his personal attorney. the second attorney would be elliott brodie and the third person who didn't want his name to be revealed. in court proceedings, judge essentially ordered cohen's attorneys to disclose the name after arguments from united states attorneys, after arguments for media lawyer arguing any name that should be mentioned in the court should come out publicly and that name is, as you have said, sean hannity, fox news host. so, basically what they're saying is that at some point

attorney joyce vance spent 25 years as a -- and welcome to you all. philip let's start with a story that we are watching minute by minute it is 11:03 and change here on the east coast. where does the president's nomination for v.a. stand right now? >> the nomination is in extreme pearl. jackson indicating to white house officials considering withdrawing. he wants to keep fighting and a chance to clear his name and a chance to defend himself in a confirmation hearing and some that he denied to the media. he realizes how ugly it will be and unlikely that he will be confirmed by the senate. there's a number of lawmakers speaking against him. so the white house is in limbo at the moment. i would not be surprised to see an announcement that he is out or maybe he will make it to the morning, i think his days are numbered. >> i want to ask you fiphil abo the jewel lan any effect. where the talks stand with mueller? >> remember he came on board as the president's head attorney replacing john dowd. there was a meeting between mueller and giulani and seemed to

attorney joyce vance, who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor, michael crowley is back with us as well, national security editor and senior correspondent for politico and a man usually in new york but is here with us tonight, sam stein. michael, are we living in a new age when we're not surprised to learn of the planned meeting with putin from the other side, from the russians? >> no, it shouldn't be surprising. we've learned a lot of things about president donald trump from russian spokemm russian sp. when he met in the oval office with russian representatives in the oval office, it was photographs published by the russians. today the russians are telling us that trump extended an invitation for putin to come to the white house. so it would be the first tripe by vladimir putin to the white house since 2005, brian. so a pretty consequential event. and but what is really so striking about this is that the white house response in part was saying, okay, he said come to the white house and maybe we'll talk about some other places, but the white house did not rule out the idea there wo

joining us now is joyce vance, and jonathan is back with us. joyce, let's start with you. inside the significance of this. we get very few windows into what bob mueller is doing. i understand this is to defend the bob mueller probe. talk about the significance into the window of the trump tower meeting in terms of the collusion and the obstruction investigation. >> the way we get this window in is that paul manafort has filed a motion to suppress one of the government searches. it's one of a storage areas he owns claiming it violated the fourth amendment. and mueller's team came back full force defending the legitimacy of the search, and in the course of doing that, they revealed some pieces of information including the fact that one of the things that they were searching for was anything that manafort had related to any of the participants and to that notorious june meeting in trump tower, and what that does, i think it gives us very clear confirmation that mueller is focussed on the russian collusion aspect of this investigation. we all assume that. it seems to be a stro

attorney for the northern district of alabama and an msnbc contributor, joyce vance.bout the man who would have approved this raid of michael cohen's office and home, the lead federal prosecutor of the southern district of new york is a trump appointee, jeffrey berman, who holds the position once filled by preet bharara who trump asked to stay on and then abruptly fired three months later. berman was appointed by the president in january of 2018 reportedly with the backing of jared kushner. he was an assistant u.s. attorney from 1990 to 1994 and has donated to several republican politicians over the years, including $5,400 to the trump campaign. until rejoining the department of justice, berman was a partner at the same law firm as rudy giuliani who told the "washington post" about the raid "is this surprising? yes. is it extraordinary? no. this is the way prosecutors get information. sometimes to convict and prosecute, sometimes to exculpate." joe? yeah. willie, let's talk about what the president said briefly and you can -- maybe you can help me o out. i'm obviously

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attorney joyce vance, harry lipman, and former federal prosecutor. joyce, let me start with you. the judge's ruling today, what's your takeaway from that? >> it's the correct ruling. in a criminal case, there are a variety of mechanisms for a defendant to judge the validity of the lawsuit. he can file a motion to dismiss. he can challenge jurisdiction. what manafort did was to go outside the confines of the criminal case and to file a separate civil lawsuit. he tried to challenge mueller's legitimacy, really, as a special counsel in that lawsuit. the judge properly dismissed that. >> right now it seems like the path is cleared for trial sometime in the fall. what would that trial look like? >> well, it would be a lengthy trial. there would be many, many witnesses, a lot of documents and records. there are many charges against manafort, complex charges like money laundering, for example, charges relating to his disclosures of various bank records. you would literally have witnesses coming in from various, you know, entities, talking about how their records are kept, talking about

attorney for the northern district of alabama and msnbc contributor joyce vance is up with us early. >> i got to figure this out, willie. the kids want to know, so for with quite some time you have stated that rappers like donald trump. we saw it even during the campaign where you had, beyonce was going out there and jay-z and he said i've got nothing personal against donald trump. well everybody else is saying he's going to be the end of the world. chance, the rapper. comes out yesterday, saying hey, all black people don't have to be -- democrats. like what is that? what is donald trump's connection with, why would kanye and chance and jay-z -- >> he used to be, donald trump used to be one of the single-most name-checked person. people in all of hip hop music. because he had a lifestyle that was, people aspired to. whether it was the cars or the money or your name on everything. and so he was like, before he was president of the united states he was the tv host. he was, he was somebody that they could aspire to or at least aspire to that lifestyle. but i think now the terms have cha

our friend joyce vance described the raid as a, quote, bomb, on trump's front porch. they characterized even the senior staff as, quote, scared. joining us to discuss today's extraordinary developments, some of our favorite reporters and friend from the "new york times." matt apuzo, ashley parker, jeremy bash, former chief of staff at the cia and the pentagon. and here on set, the former fbi director for counter intelligence. matt, you broke the news yesterday about the raid itself. i have to get you first to respond to the white house hearing from people at the justice department and certain legal experts that the president does have the authority to fire bob mueller. that's new. >> reporter: yea . >> yeah. that was news to me. our understanding and everybody we had talked to and everybody in the government we had talked to for the past year had all been in agreement that if the president wanted to fire bob mueller, if he wanted to change course here, then he had to essentially get somebody to do it for him. that somebody would have had to have been rod rosenstein, t

joining me now, joyce vance and danny cevallos.he judge's decision is tying together these two cases. how do you see them affecting one another? >> this decision from the judge was very predictable. when a civil proceeding and a criminal proceeding are moving along side by side, judges will usually stay the civil proceeding both to avoid any prejudice to a potential defendant and that the criminal case proceeds with the speed it needs to go forward under the speedy trial act. there's a tie in here. the judge has made a little bit of a leap of faith, assuming that mr. cohen is likely to be indicted in the southern district of new york. we'll have to wait and see what the grand jury does in that matter and when the government is ready to indict, if it chooses to indict. this is really a decision that protects the rights of all the parties, balancing them against each other and trying to assure no one is unduly prejudiced. >> mr. cohen said he's going to invoke his fifth. many times if you have nothing to plead the fifth when you're i

i am joined by former federal prosecutor joyce vance and jeremy bash joins the conversation. spoken about many aspects already. james comey did serve his country honorably for a long time. he did provide testimony under oath which the president declines to do so far in the mueller probe. there are many obvious contrasts here. in the chlip i played and the book tour which is a for-profit event, it seems to many that he has decided to focus in on some of the most salacious and pointless allegations. if he doesn't know if the, quote, pee tape exists doesn't he have a better way to deal with the questions than to say as the former fbi director, it's possible? >> so i haven't read the book yet. i feel like i have to issue that caveat before discussing the portions of the book that we have seen. but it seems to me that the point former director comey is making is the point that we have discussed as you point out a lot, having these sorts of questions about a president are very, very disturbing. we don't know if we can rely on the president of the united states to tell the truth or

i want to add joyce vance, a federal prosecutor and legal analyst while i still have 3450 michael still here. if you could tell us what you're learning, this new information, what stands out to you as legally important? >> this is a very surprising development. if i was the president's lawyer, one of the principles that would have tried to pound into him would be, if you are asked about stormy daniels don't respond, nothing good happens answering a question about this from any point of view. so now we have the president on record saying he didn't know about the payment. and if that turns out to be in any way untrue, whether legally in terms of a criminal investigation, or in terms of the civil investigation, this may be the sort of pressure that it will be very difficult for the presidency to with stand. by boxing himself in, unless he's been scrupulously truthful, i think he's put himself into a world of hurt. >> michael avanatti, there's an old saying, you could have been anywhere in the world tonight, and you're here, we appreciate it given all the news. thank you, sir. >>> donald tr

ken dilanian, joyce vance, and mieke joe yanks thank you for coming on tonight. president trump says no one's been tougher on russia than he has been. h. referring mcmaster taking a parting shot at the president saying he hasn't done enough to count ker the menace from moscow. he just did it. everybody tells the truth on their way out of office in this town. unbelievable. cheryl dent, corker, just say you're leaving. you might get truth out of these guys plus, trump's trade war with china. it's going to hurt a lot of people in red states, places where the republican party need to win this november. maybe that's why the president's new economic adviser is already backing off the tariff trade. larry kudlow is aware of the trouble coming. trump's ginning up a crisis to shore up his political base meaning ann coulter. he's talking it about sending the military down to the border. finally, let me finish tonight with the courage of bobby kennedy 50 years ago when he had to tell al african-american audience independence indianapolis that happens reverend martin luther k

joyce vance, harry litman, and renato mariotti, thanks for making time. >> thank you, chris. >>> paul ryan makes history by firing the chaplain of the house. the outraged bipartisan reaction to that, next. a hilton getaway means you get more because... you get another day in paradise. get a sunset on a sunday. get more stories to share. get more from your summer getaway with exclusive hilton offers. book yours, only at hilton.com >>> democrats and republicans in the house are outraged after paul ryan's unexplained dismissal of the chaplain about the house. they sent a letter requesting information about the forced resignation of patrick j. conroy. ryan's office won't say on the record why conroy was effectively fired. the chaplain pointed to a prayer he gave on the house floor during the debate over the gop tax cuts. >> as legislation on taxes continues to be debated this week and next, may all members be mindful that the institutions and structures of our great nation guarantee the opportunities that have allowed some to achieve great success, while others continue to struggle. may t

ken vogel political reporter with the "new york times" and joyce vance legal analyst. ken, what does he mean in terms of news making today when he says he may get involved with the doj? we all know what it means when he says he's not involved. getting involved sounds like you're fired. >> it sounds a lot like that. he has suggested he might do just that on multiple occasions. he set different red lines suggesting he would do it if mueller waded into his business interests. we've seen indications just that is occurring. certainly would be logical to assume ta type of investigation is occurring. now you have him saying it again. you can tell he's bristling against his own legal team and his staff telling him not to do that as well as the body politic at large including republicans. we saw the senate judiciary committee pass out of committee a bill to protect mueller. that's a pretty strong signal there would be quite a price to pay if trump did anything to either try to fire mueller -- >> basically told the people investigating him, if you investigate me anymore, i'll fi

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reporting, one of the reporters with a by line in that report, robert costa, msnbc contributor joyce vance, a former u.s. attorney, frank figliuzzi, former fbi director for counter intelligence now an msnbc national analyst, and mimi, assistant u.s. attorney. first congrats on the megascoop. take us through what you and your colleague carol are reporting achlt alwa reporting. >> always good to be with you, nicolle. we reported the president's legal team have been informed by special counsel robert mueller that he is a subject of the ongoing federal probe, not a witness in terms of his classification, neither is he at this moment a target, but the investigation continues. talking to our sources familiar with these discussions, they say that as you reported, that there is a report that's in the works, a document of sorts that could come out by this summer that would detail possible obstruction of justice or at least look at the conduct of the president. >> so, your colleague phil rucker tweeted this. he wrote, some trump advisors are concerned that mueller is saying trump isn't currently a t

>> joyce vance, do you see any legal issues here?re sort of looking at this as it pertains to journalism and news networks, but what about the overall case? >> so i think it is in the first instance a journalism sort of an issue, an ethical issue for lawyers who deal with first amendment and press and internal network news, in terms of the cohen case. it's an interesting issue that you raise, whether or not there was some sort of an exchange of free legal advice for other work. i think that's awfully speculative based on what we know here, but certainly something to keep an eye on as this case moves forward. >> joyce, i want to follow up and ask you sort of a question that i posed to jonathan turley. what dupg aboo you think about this case is? it started -- i can't help but think as someone who went through the impeachment of bill clint clinton, watching throughout the 1990s a failed land deal turn into the impeachment over the president's extraordinary bad personal judgment. and we -- we were a long way from where we began in white