still with us, obviously, maya wiley, joyce vance, chuck rosenberg. andrew, talk about rudy's capacity for disappointment at not being a member of the team, and talk about his capacity for embarrassment at what's happened to him thus far. >> he was on steve bannon's podcast the other night talking about how frustrated he was. he talks about it openly. he wants to be trying that case. and i think -- trump says there may be a conflict but i think there are a lot of reasons why you're not seeing giuliani out there. first of all, i don't think a lot of republican senators want to see him out there. i mean, ask yourself this question. he is the central figure in this drama. >> he really is. >> but no one is calling for giuliani to testify. they're calling for bolton. they're calling for pompeo. no one is calling for giuliani. the theory is that i don't think that either republicans or the democrats feel it's in their best interests for giuliani to get up there and say we should prosecute the bidens for -- or joe biden for bribery and extortion, which is ex

still with us, obviously, maya wiley, joyce vance, chuck rosenberg.w, talk about rudy's capacity for disappointment at not being a member of the team, and talk about his capacity for embarrassment at what's happened to him thus far. >> he was on steve bannon's podcast the other night talking about how frustrated he was. he talks about it openly. he wants to be trying that case. and i think -- trump says there may be a conflict but i think there are a lot of reasons why you're not seeing giuliani out there. first of all, i don't think a lot of republican senators want to see him out there. i mean, ask yourself this question. he is the central figure in this drama. >> he really is. >> but no one is calling for giuliani to testify. they're calling for bolton. they're calling for pompeo. no one is calling for giuliani. the theory is that i don't think that either republicans or the democrats feel it's in their best interests for giuliani to get up there and say we should prosecute the bidens for -- or joe biden for bribery and extortion, which is exactly

attorney joyce vance, who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. and clint watts, former fbi special agent, distinguished research fellow at the foreign policy research institute. his timely book is called "messing with the enemy: surviving in a social media world of hackers, terrorists, russians, in no particular order, and fake news." and in washington our friend a.b. stoddard is back, associate editor and columnist for real clear politics. congressman, i'd like to begin with you because your name was on an actual ballot that people chose over your opponent, and that is where does your party, your former political party, stand tonight at the end of what we've witnessed? >> i think in many ways today was a little unsettling to the national conscience because you saw the senators in their environment have an opportunity to engage with the president's defense counsel, with the house managers, and you saw very little authenticity. it's one thing to see ted cruz and lindsey graham and marsha blackburn on fox news and in the hallways spouting their fox

attorney for the district attorney, and joyce vance, full house. appreciate you coming in with us on this important day. >> making your "first look" debut. >> i think one other time. >> in person. >> yeah. give us your biggest moment, joyce, from yesterday, something that really stood out to you. >> i think the biggest moment and danny, i'm not sure if you'll agree with me, but it was the closing argument that adam schiff gave where he told the senate floor you all know that he's guilty, right, and then he talked about assuming that we all know that he's guilty, what comes next. that maybe is sa little ba leap. there will be no republicans publicly acknowledging that, but in that moment of silence on the floor of the senate, i think everyone understood that, and we see it this morning. none of these arguments are about guilt. they're about process or politics. they're not about the evidence. >> it seems even trump's defense is not to kind of combat the evidence. it's more to combat that it's not impeachable. >> exactly right, ayman. and i agree with

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anita kumar, joyce vance, robert costa. coming up for us, what to watch for next now that the senate has this case. is there any guide as to what we're about to see? and later the growing evidence showing a campaign to get a career foreign service officer, our ambassador to ukraine, fired and sent home. as "the 11th hour" is just getting started on this wednesday night. >>> the ceremonial delivery of the articles of impeachment from the house to senate begins the next phase in the third impeachment in our history. pelosi used the aforementioned souvenir pens to sign the articles which were walked over with much solemnity from the house to the senate, where with much solemnity they will be officially received at noon eastern time tomorrow. two hours later chief justice john roberts is sworn in and then in turn swears in the 100 senators who will then take a >> bill barr's office denies the allegation. with us to talk about is john meacham, historian from the trump hotel i'm curious to get your response. >> it is. it's, reaga

leading off our discussion tonight joyce vance former u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama. she's a professor at the university of alabama law school and an msnbc legal contributor. hayes brown editor at buzzfeed. he's the host of the impeachment today podcast. mar a gay is a member of the towed yahrzeit board and msnbc contributor. and jeb bush's 2016 campaign and former spokesperson for the republican national committee, he's now a contributor to the bulwark. >>> joyce, i want to start with you. i want to read more from the statement of lamar alexander. he didn't just say he's not going to vote in favor of witnesses. he put out a statement in which he says, in part, there is no need for more evidence to prove that the president asked ukraine to investigate joe biden and his son hunter. he said this on television on october 3rd, 2019. and during his july 25th, 2019 telephone call with the president of ukraine. there is no need for more evidence to conclude that the president withheld united states aid at least, in part, to pres

leading off our discussion tonight, joyce vance, former u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama. she's a professor at the university of alabama law school and an msnbc legal contributor. hayes brown is a senior world news reporter and editor at buzzfeed. he's the host of "the impeachment today" podcast. mara gay is a member of "the new york times" editorial board. she's an msnbc contributor. and tim miller, former communications director for jeb bush's 2016 presidential campaign and the former spokesperson for the republican national committee. he's now a contributor to the bulwark. welcome to all of you. joyce, i'm going to start with you because i want to read more of the statement from lamar alexander. he didn't just say he's not going to vote in favor of witnesses, but he put out a statement in which he says in part, there is no need for more evidence to prove that the president asked ukraine to investigate joe biden and his son hunter. he said this on television on october 3rd, 2019, and during his july 25th 2019 telephone call

joyce vance, former federal prosecutors. me ask you about the new developments, romney is joining -- he's the first republican to break and say i'm going to vote to hear a witness and the witness i'm going to call to hear is going to be john bolton, probably the prime possible witness. >> the point is, chris, it's not just any witnesses because republicans called for, you know, irrelevant witnesses to come forward just to make a spectacle of it. this is a witness who has raised his hand who did not do so before saying, i've soon things, i have something to say and republicans are burying their head in the sand saying, we don't want to hear this. what a concept. you're going to have a relevant witness come forward. so it's a courage call right now and it's pay matter of whether other republicans will answer that call. >> do you have a sense he might break the ice? because 47, now 48. they only need three over there to get a fair trial and get witnesses. you have apparently a whole batch of them. maybe seven or eight republica

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attorney joyce vance. all right, joyce, i want you to explain these to us.use of power and the house argue, this is the first full screen, president trump's continuing presence in office undermines the integrity of our democratic process and endangers our national security. what are they arguing there? >> so they're arguing that the president has abused his power in a fundamental way that rings the bell in the constitution where it says that a president can be removed for committing high crimes and misdemeanors. katy, we have to always remember that today's criminal code wasn't in place when the founding fathers wrote this part of the constitution, so when they say high crimes and misdemeano misdemeanors, it doesn't refer to crimes today, it refers to their understanding at that time, which clearly reaches abuse of power. alexander hamilton wrote about it in the federalist papers and it makes it clear that this sort of abuse of power qualifies. >> you probably already answered this but i want to give you the trump team's answer to the house democrats allegat

joining me now for more on what bolton's announcement means, nancy gertner and joyce vance. from the northern district of alabama, now an msnbc legal analyst. nancy, let me start with you what you think the relevance, significance of bolton making this announcement today is. >> well, i'd be concerned about the timing, right? i mean, he is someone saying he had relevant testimony on the impeachment inquiry. he's mentioned multiple times in the house report. but he said he needed to be subpoenaed and he would -- he suggested he would go to court as others have done in order to testify. now he's expressing his willingness just after he tweeted support for the president's strike in iraq. so i'm not sure what his particular "end game" is. in addition, it's a very odd position. it's like saying i'm going to testify in your courtroom, but i'm not going to testify in the one next door. i'll testify before the senate but i'm not going to testify before the house. i think that's an untenable position. >> that is a great point. it queues up now what the house does. let me go to that, j

joining me now, mimi rocah and joyce vance. e pronunciation, guys, i'm going to have more coffee. joyce, knowing this case inside and out, do you agree with adam schiff that no witnesses means no exoneration? >> you know, i think he's exactly right, alex. and it's worth spending a little bit of time unpacking what that means. exonerated means that the evidence clears you, that the evidence has been thoroughly examined and a finding has been made that you were wrongfully charged and you didn't commit the crimes you were charged with. but that's not what will happen at the end of this trial if the senate votes to acquit, just to say the president is not convicted on the articles of impeachment, without fully considering the evidence. it's sort of like an ostrich that sticks its head in the sand and says maybe there's a storm going on up above me but i don't want to see it, i just want it to be over. >> what, mimi, do you make the adam schiff saying they didn't contest the president's scheme? >> that's exactly right. i mean, schiff

. >> joining me now, joyce vance, msnbc contributor and former u.s. attorney.hat's your reaction to alan dershowitz there? >> well, i think he's wrong for a lot of reasons. first off, we all have common sense, right? we can use our common sense. we understand that abuse of power by a president is a very serious matter. what dershowitz is trying to do here is what lawyers in a civil case would call a motion to dismiss. he's saying even if the president did everything he's alleged to have done in the articles of impeachment, legally he shouldn't be impeached because it's not in a criminal case a crime. here he's saying it's not an impeachable offense. and he's just wrong. the text of the constitution itself makes that clear. >> you know what's interesting, i was sharing with you in the commercial that i was communicating with laurence tribe yesterday after my show, and here is something that he sent me. he said, there is no basis at all for the claim that the framers rejected making abuse of power impeachable. what they rejected was making their policy disagreeme

i want to bring in joyce vance.oyce, this would seem like the kind of evidence that would be of great interest from, i hate to say just the democrats. you think anyone that wants to get to the bottom or would want to get to the truth would want to see documents like this. and you see, i guess, little flickers of interest in evidence from susan collins and lisa murkowski, moderate republicans. what is its impact if this were a real legal process? >> you know, you have to imagine it in terms of maybe a more accessible crime, like a bank branch manager who's accused of embezzlement, some of his employees talk about some fishy circumstances. and there is maybe some indication that there are documents, perhaps emails between this manager and maybe some of his other colleagues that might some ed some light on this. and suddenly we have a jury and a judge that says we are not interested in hearing any of this evidence at trial. we are just going to leave it all as unknown and go ahead and acquit this bank manager of miscon

attorney joyce vance. garrett, let's start with john bolton. john bolton saying he's got something to say. but leaving it in the hands of republicans to issue a subpoena. if john bolton really has a story to tell, why not just come out and say it? we don't have to wait for his book, which he's been paid hand similarly for. he can come on tv with us. he can go on any network. he can put out a public statement. >> that's exactly what i've heard from a you couple republican senators today saying this is a person who throughout his public career has never had a problem speaking out when he had something to say. and if he's inclined to say something now, he ought to just go ahead and do it. you heard from mitt romney there in the lead-up to this. he was one of the last senators to really come out and say what he thought post-bolton. he's a senator who said all along that he does want to hear from john bolton. but what he also told reporters a few minutes ago is that he's perfectly fine with the senate following the clinton impeachment model going fo

i believe we may have joyce vance. mike, i'm going to have you in on this as well and i think garrett makes a really big point here. two major points here. first and foremost is the biden story line and how i think it's pretty obvious that the republicans are going to go hard on both the former vice president and his son hunter biden and that story line. despite the fact that it's been completely and overwhelmingly debunked. and the second major point is it doesn't necessarily seem they're going to debate the facts of the phone call or what took place with regards to the president of ukraine. instead, they are going to debate the fact that this is not an impeachable offense. >> the president's lawyer jay sekulow talked to us yesterday. basically said we are going to go hard on the biden/burisma connection. you know, it comes down to this. their theory of the case will be that the president was -- had a legitimate interest in combatting corruption in ukraine. that the bidens and burisma, that -- that there was something

michael steele, joyce vance, marcus, thank you all.mpeachment coverage of donald john trump continues here on msnbc. ge of donald john trump continues here on msnbc we made usaa insurance for members like martin. an air force veteran made of doing what's right, not what's easy. so when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could even inspect the damage. that's how you do it right. usaa insurance is made just the way martin's family needs it - with hassle-free claims, he got paid before his neighbor even got started. because doing right by our members, that's what's right. usaa. what you're made of, we're made for. usaa >>> good morning. i'm ari melber with our entire special coverage panel and we have quite the day. president trump's trial hitting an inflection point. in fact, there are signs from some senators who believe it can wrap as soon as tonight. late night developments. retiring republican senator lamar alexander a key swing vote here has announced he is a no vote on calling witnesses like john bolton but that's not all.

. >> joining me now is paul butler and also joyce vance. his is all fascinating stuff, but how incriminating do you think it is for the president specifically? >> well, this is the issue with lev parnas. and with his testimony and other surrounding information, we have to be very careful that everything is fully corroborated. because it is possible that this leads to rudy giuliani who is after august the person who in these documents implicates the president along with parnas. so i think that it is premature to draw conclusions. it certainly is a strong reason the senate should be hearing testimony from firsthand witnesses. >> and parnas implicated a number of officials which rudy giuliani is one before i want to play you a bit. >> everybody was in the loop. president trump knew exactly what was going on. i wouldn't do anything without the consent of rudy giuliani or the president. >> you have reason to believe that vice president pence was tasked at that meeting with get president zelensky to announce investigations of joe biden. >> yes. >>

chuck rosenberg, joyce vance, david jolly, and maya wiley. let's go to geoff bennett.xt of this resolution that the senate body will vote on now is now out and it tracks with our reporting and what you just said. so we expect that after they do vote and adopt this resolution there will be a debate on four amendments. we are not sure how long that debate will last. we are told it won't last that long. then nothing is scheduled to happen this weekend. so those three senators, those three democratic senators running for president can go back to iowa and campaign. that's senator sanders, klobuchar, warren. monday at 11:00 a.m. eastern time closing arguments will convene. the house manage ergs wirs willt followed by the president's defense team. we expect that will be somewhere between four to six hours split evenly among them. tuesday you will see the public deliberations. the senators themselves standing on the floor of the senate. each senator getting 10 to 15 minutes to state his or her case where he or she stands on this issue of removing president trump from office. w

attorney joyce vance is here and republican strategist, rick wilson. plus, former assistant director at the fbi and joining us on capitol hill, garret. i'm dieing to hear about all of this ceremonial aspect of a trial donald trump once seemed to want quite desperately. i want to talk about the power of the evidence and what it could mean for the case against donald trump. >> we're now seeing rudy giuliani saying i'm doing everything with the consent and knowledge of the president. so this notion that we're all about looking into corruption in ukraine. this is all about corruption. where's the department of justice? why is the president's personal attorney quote on quote looking at corruption? and this assertion that we have maybe the sitting u.s. ambassador in ukraine under some kind of physical and/or electronic surveillance and there's a, quote unquote, insider, needs to be investigated. if we were living any normal world, we'd have the secretary of state and attorney general ordering to investigate any assertion someone inside the u.s. embassy has c

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joining me now, joyce vance, a former u.s. attorney and natasha, national security correspondent. welcome to both of you as we get started in 2020. that means the senate coming back to start off the year and back to work. so are we going to be able to firm up on if this trial is going to get started, when it's going to get started, and the big question, are there going to be witnesses? where do we stand? >> it's a great question and we don't know much because we haven't gotten answers from members of congress. so when they come back on monday, january 6th, hopefully they'll start to outline more of the broad contours of what a senate trial will look like. of course nancy pelosi still hasn't sent the articles of impeachment over to the senate. she is waiting until she is confident that the trial is going to be fair, and that democrats won't just be walking into an ambush during the trial, not able to present their case after they went through the whole impeachment process and did in fact impeach the president, of course. so we still don't know what the trial is going to look like,

news and world report," scott wong senior writer for hill, joyce vance attorney and legal analyst. scott wong, what is being said on the hill now? what do they want? what do house democrats want? >> just about an hour ago the president tweeted he wants to see mitch mcconnell and senate republicans vote to dismiss this impeachment trial all together. he believes that an impeachment trial would give credence and credibility to impeachment itself, and he's obviously very upset with that. so this is precisely what nancy pelosi has been arguing all along. she has withheld these articles of impeachment because she was worried mitch mcconnell and the republicans would just move to dismiss them all together without holding a fair trial. the president's recent tweets and comments seem to vindicate that argument. what we're going to see in coming days is nancy pelosi finally moving, we think, articles of impeachment over to senate, which will now trigger this whole new process in the senate. there are a number of procedural steps that need to take place before we see an actual trial. so it's

let's get into it with federal prosecutor joyce vance.maddow had a stunning interview with lev parnas. what i want to do with you, many have seen parts of it. we'll get your analysis on key aspects right here first. some of the most damning, incrip nighting statements. >> president trump knew exactly what was going on. i wouldn't do anything without the consent of rudolph giuliani or the president. >> the vice president was tasked with getting president zelensky to announce the investigation of joe biden specifically. >> yes. his mission, wasn't just military aid. it was all aid. the relationships would be soured. that we would stop giving any kind of aid. it was never about corruption or burisma. >> the key to making a witness like lev parnas, and i've dealt with witnesses like this. credible is corroboration. everything that he says has to be backed up with evidence. you see how skillful rachel is as an interviewer. when she's asking about his relationship with the president, she elicits what is called testimony. he said i met with him

your interview here that we're going to rerun and analyze with the people we have here to analyze, joyce vanceurence tribe is going to join us later. but it seems as though, it's very clear, your interview has created more momentum for witnesses in the senate trial. we've had a couple of senators now come out and say based on

attorney and msnbc contributor joyce vance and danny cevallos. thank you both for being here. the impoundment control act was clearly designed to underscore what the constitution said. that's that the congress has the power to apportion, to apportion money to tax money and apport n apportion. they were underscoring a point because nixon had a habit of redirecting money. what happens now that they say what the administration did is contrary to this law, this 1974 law. >> so it's a great question. this is another time where we talk about whether or not the rule of law continues to survive in the era of trump. the impoundment act is supposed to create norms. it's not a criminal statute. no one goes to jail for violating it. the notion was it would force the presidency to respect congress's power of the purse. that has broken down here. this is evidence that supports article one of the articles of impeachment, but we'll have to see whether the senate takes it seriously. >> danny, let's talk about the additions to donald trump's defense team today. all high profile. one of the thin

the panel in new york, jason johnson, senior correspondent andrea mitchell, joyce vance, rich lauer, and ken conrad, and neil cat yell. guys, i want to play what i thought was the most intriguing question that was asked, republican senators to the white house team. i want to play that and kickoff the conversation. >> before vice president biden formally entered the 2020 race in april 2019, did president trump ever mention joe or hunter biden in connection with corruption in ukraine to former ukranian president poroshenko or other ukranian officials, president trump's cabinet members or aides? >> there's nothing in the record on that, it wasn't pursued in the record. i can't point to something in the record that shows president trump at an earlier time mentioning specifically something related to joe or hunter biden. >> there was a lot, andrea mitchell, a lot of questions asked yesterday. a lot of it felt like that was one of the few you're like oh, that should leave a mark. did it? >> philbin's answer was so imprecise, so fudged that it set off alarm bells as we were sitting there, w

i have joyce vance as well.he biden campaign made great efforts to make the media work other democrats, work others to try to make the hay. you're going to talk about the bidens and ukraine, you better, almost sort of threatening, and all of a sudden house managers did more than any other entity has done. i've got to think if any other news organization did that, the biden campaign would have flipped out. >> chuck, first, bring you greetings from earth 2. it has felt like we are chasing biden around, today we have been on a different planet. a conversation is happening on the campaign trail about social security, his spat with bernie sanders over the op-ed on corruption. but obviously the impeachment issue is looming overhead, and the biden campaign is using it to some level, going on offense and also playing prevent defense. on the offensive side, this morning the campaign launching a slate of ads in iowa that double down more urgently on the argument they have been making on electability, the 30 second ad says

perform former prosecutor joyce white vance argued if bolton and our witnesses with information relative to trump's conduct in ukraine don't testify the senate trial will be nothing more than a fancy cover-up. what do you say? >> reporter: i think that's accurate given the nature -- look at the emails from today. sort of the highest levels of government, bolton and mulvaney. absolutely. again, this all comes down to these negotiations around those people who are up for re-election. yeah. >> okay. and the house can still issue its subpoena to all senior officials involved in the events documented in the new emails and the "new york times" story out this week. should they? >> yes. remember, it's easy to forget i think six congressional committees still have open inquiries into the president with respect to this and even if not, open oversight inquiries. certainly impeachment is on the table. you heard reporting that thinking about additional impeachment charges. might be political costs to that. they may not want to go down that road but certainly have the ability to subpoena, call more wi

voice vanc joyce vance? >> andrew is right.es and the fear has to be that it opens the door on other witnesses who then have to testify, whether it's mulvaney, other witnesses, chuck schumer had asked for and maybe this sudden apparent victory begins to dissolve over time. here's what we are really watching. you are absolutely right. it is like a novel. there's no longer a rule of law in the united states senate. because they have just handed over their ability to engage in oversight to the white house. we now have an all-powerful executive that can do whatever it wants to do, maybe not as much as alan dershowitz thinks it can do but at least make sure that the president is not subject to any legitimate oversight. >> wow. michael steele? >> i think she is spot on and that the question is not even a test anymore. the question becomes, what does this senate do? where do they draw lines in the future with this white house? between now and the end of the year, the election. what if, you know, there is a disclosure? the dnc, the rnc

joyce vance, andrew weissman and jill wine-banks. thank you to all of you.terman has about the idea that donald trump has lots of people around him who can give him up to the moment detail about the effectiveness of america's assistance to ukraine in its hot war against russia. it may turn out to be key that he was asking lev parnas how long they can last without him. because a year later when he makes a decision to withhold $391 million in congressionally approved aid to ukraine, he would have some idea of the desperation that would have precipitated. >> that's true. what i would say, though, with this tape is that i'm going to analyze it the way i would if i had received it and i was in the government, which is proceed with caution. we don't yet know whether it's authentic. we're assuming it's authentic and has not been doctored. assuming it is, the one thing you do know is it corroborates lev parnas in terms of what he has told rachel maddow. so it is good for him in terms of his credibility. it also undermines the president's claim which is i don't know

back with us, jason johnson at the root.com, maya wiley, joyce vance, david jolly former congressman from florida. let's go to the sublime before the absurd. here's the prayer. >> remind our senators that they alone are accountable to you for their conduct. lord, help them to remember that they can't ignore you and get away with it. for we always reap what we sow. >> we always reap what we sow. i think a collective chill went down all of our spines when we heard that this morning. >> if i was sitting next to my grandma this would be a get right come to jesus moment. >> wow. >> making that abundantly clear. we talked about this. you saw john roberts's face tight. this is where you will be judged if you believe in a higher power. it's a moral transcendent sense before what was convenient on their daily lives. >> reap what you sow. what do you think they've sown? >> they have sown unreliable, dangerous and soon to be autocratic president. they have sown a president who will take revenge on his enemies within his own party. one day and one day soon if donald trump is re-elected the same

joining us back here in studio are donna edwards, maya wiley, joyce vance, chuck rosenberg.s commenced, i think i'm looking at all of you, i think you and i have logged the most hours together, came when chairman nadler said the constitution is not a suicide pact. that just jolted me out of my chair. let's watch that and talk about it. we don't have that yet. >> let's talk about it anyway. >> just that language. what are they trying to do? feels like they're trying to grab everyone's attention. make sure that these long hours do not make any of those hundred senators in the chamber complacent or the viewing public. >> the genius behind the constitution of the united states is that it gives flex bltd. right? it is not a very details constitution. some states in our country have very detailed constitutions. go on for hundreds and hundreds of pages and clauses. ours is not. it is a framework. right? it's purposefully ambiguous or i should say sparse. probably a better word. that can be interpreted as needs arise. the phrase, for instance, high crimes and misdemeanors, is not ve