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joining me now is joyce vance. lp us explain, understand the significance of what does seem to be just increasing evidence of this sort of massive conspiracy of violent groups. >> sure. so obviously, this creates a new web of co-conspirators working together potentially that investigators for the january 6th committee and justice department will want to talk to but on a more specific level, because there is a conspiracy indictment in place for the oath keepers, this web of communications opens up the possibility now members of the proud boys will also be indicted for conspiracy. the element they have to prove is the desire to use force and bring about their aim and because they're talking about protecting people and bringing weapons in, it seems likely this is one of the missing pieces of evidence that doj needed that kept it from indicting the proud boys for seditious conspiracy. >> i'm very predictable at this point. you probably know what's coming. i always say this, here is where the web happens. they all had th

joining me now, joyce vance, a former attorney in alabama.of law. and marina jenkins, a litigation director in the -- . ladies, thank you so much for joining me. i want to start with, you choice. how unusual is it for a map to be approved and then withdrawn, like in the case of wisconsin? >> so, nothing that's happening in this redistricting cycle as usual. because we're operating under a greatly restricted environment, with the newly-conservative 63 supreme court. which seems to have a special jurisprudence for voting, much like it has shown for abortion. where is willing to ignore principles that were previously in play. that's why we're seeing this process, where state supreme courts and state legislatures are newly emboldened to cut back on maps that really try to give effect to principles like preserving minority voting power. and that's the reason we're seeing this wet, in my judgment, it's a very unusual process of going back and forth. drawing maps isn't easy, it requires using experts, eric choirs looking at populations and demograph

. >> would that, let's bring in our experts, a reporter with politico and joyce vance, who's been 25 years as a federal cost to cuter and -- charlie, we have heard from trump, now we heard from mccarthy, with do you think, do you buy that everything is good between them, that it is an uneasy truce, what's going on as you see it? >> will kevin mccarthy understands is that his fate is totally at the whim of donald trump. this is an indication at where the republican party is. the fact he was caught lying, none of those is disqualifying. the only day that will cost him the speaker gavel is if donald trump wanted him out. donald trump, i do by this, he does like to humiliate his opponents and have them come groveling to him. he has kevin mccarthy right where he wants him, utterly and completely dependent on the goodwill of donald trump. again, it is quite a commentary on what counts it does not count in the modern republican party. >> nicholas, congress starts coming back from recess on monday, are we going to get a better sense of mccarthy stance among republicans or resistance whatever

attorney joyce vance who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor, both are msnbc contributors. joyce, the times goes on to report this, stephen miller rebutted the implication that the word we indicated that trump was trying to incite the crowd to action. arguing that it had been used in political speech for decades. he also argued that the election had been stolen. okay, let's remember who stephen miller is. this is a man who was clearly not known to be cooperative, so what do you think of what he said today? >> i suspect this was a painful day for investigators, for the house january 6th committee who have to sit through miller trying to parse the questions without giving them any helpful in formation. to the extent that he felt like it was not -- its important stephanie to remember who stephen miller as. he came to washington with jeff sessions, he was a jeff sessions sycophant. he is someone who has anti immigrant policies in his bloodstream, but also this notion of election fraud that became so powerful under trump as the big lie with something that his mentors, senator ses

jackie alam a knee, neil cocktail and joyce vance. coming up, blackmail -- that's what's -- the decision to turn off the natural gas spigots to poland and both area. and later, according to at least one gop member of congress, no one cares about january 6th. we're going to dig and into the global growing political follow from the latest reported revelations. the 11th hour just getting underway on this wednesday night. and poise in her pants. it takes poise. i'll tell you, today without giving hole numbers, more than half of those howitzers are in the ukraine. we know that they are expending rounds every single day. of all different types and calibers. and we are doing everything we can. the flow continues to make sure that they can stay in the flight. fight. >> and the administration is about to ask congress for a lot more money to keep that military flow going. sources say, president biden will propose another massive aid package tomorrow morning. and as we enter day 64 of the war, i want to bring in cal perry, live in kyiv. cal, we

attorney joyce vance and garrett haake and brandon buck. welcome all.'m not being too cynical about the ethics committee, because in the old days when i was covering congress, it used to be a very active committee. >> sure. >> there were constant ethics investigations. we haven't heard anything from the ethics committee in a long time. >> it's mostly been the mask and medal detector fine police in recent years. on the senate, they have been less active. on this cawthorn thing, he has had the month from hell. he was found carrying a loaded weapon through an airport. he was cited for that. in this case, he is being accused of having an inappropriate relationship with a staffer. there's video attached to the complaint that's bizarre. his office put out a statement. they ran through a lot of it. they said the staffer was a second cousin. some of the specifics weren't true. they didn't go -- cawthorn is saying, aren't you glad there aren't cell phones around for all of you older folks in congress? you would have had similar problems. it's a messy situation f

joyce vance, former u.s. attorney. she's a professor at the diversity of alabama school of law.f course, msnbc legal analyst. and host of the dean show on sirius -- it's good to have all of you with us. i'll start with you, charles. this week, congressman adam schiff who led the first impeachment case against trump, weighed in on trump's request to for dirt from none other than accused war criminal, vladimir putin. listen. >> at least, he's consistent. consistent in the immoral and not patriotic to be appealing to putin. this man, donald trump, cannot change. he will not change. it is a we is. he will always seek to cheat. he will always seek to get foreign help. it doesn't matter they're whether putin is attacking russia. it doesn't matter if people are dying. >> what do you make of trump's latest requests? >> well, it seems to me that this is what happens when republicans refuse to follow through on an impeachment, right? these are the people who are now trying to be hawks on the ukraine situation, where some of the very same people who refused to vote for impeachment of donal

. >>> joining me is joyce vance, an msnbc legal analyst.t to start with the news about trump and being held in contempt. what does it mean. >> so this is a civil contempt. he's not being prosecuted like a criminal contempt like steve bannon. this is an effort to have her subpoena enforced for documents. she wants to review post-it notes that the president stuck on papers in giving his staff instructions. the judge took this very seriously and said trump was in contempt. if he turns over the documents he only has to pay penalties you to that point. if he continues to withhold documents, the $10,000 a day will pin to accrue. >> i want to start with these text messages that mark meadows received that there was going to be potentially violence on january 6th. what is the committee trying to do with that? >> i would say a few things here. the fact that a white house starve who was formerly a secret service service agent officer told him that there could be violence is quite significant. now, adding to that, the white house chief of staff gets a

with me now is joyce vance, a former attorney, she is a professor at the michigan school of law. she's also -- a run christian or are -- both our legal analysts. good to have you both with us. joyce, your reaction to the recordings. well >> there was a time in american history when having this sort of a conversation captured on tape would be enough to cause politicians to resign. but we are obviously well past that point in time. one thing that kevin mccarthy doesn't have really two things are the courage and the convictions of a liz cheney who is willing to pay a political price in order for standing up for the belief that she had. now we find out that kevin mccarthy had many of the same views that she had. but he was more interested in power than he was interested in doing the right thing for the future of the country. so this really interesting juncture where there are two parallel investigations going along with two different purposes, of the january six committee, hoping to uncover the truth and to bring accountability in the political lane, the justice department which is bu

attorney joyce vance, who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. jackie, today republicans gave kevin mccarthy a standing ovation. but fast forward, 8:00 tonight, fox news, matt gates giving him yet another beat down. so where does mccarthy stand tonight? >> yeah, therein lies the rub stiff. there is some sort of asymmetric imbalance here, which is that most of the members from the house gop conference, including house minority leader kevin mccarthy and house gop leadership are really tired of the antics from the far-right of their party. but, and that was evidenced in that audio that leaked, and really over the course of the past years, mccarthy has struggled to keep the party together as these members have acted out time and time again. he's had to deal with some of the repercussions. but you don't see them really going all the way in reprimanding these members. only two of them stood up in the house gop conference meeting this morning that was matt gates and marjorie taylor greene, according to our reporting as well. and they, their comments wer

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joining me now, joyce vance, former u.s.e hashtagsisters in law podcast and legal analyst. thank you for coming back to "the sunday show." how big a deal is ali alexander's cooperation? >> so, it is hard to assess what you haven't already had the opportunity to obtain. and since alexander is downplaying his cooperation, i'll take that at face value until we hear more. he has the potential to be a real -- important witness, both for the january 6 th committee, and for the department of justice, which, of course, move on these parallel tracks, one political, one legal. alexander could talk about organization and coordination at the top, perhaps talk about people close to the president who were involved and new the details of the plans for that day, but we'll learn more, i suspect, as this goes forward. >> i'm glad you brought that up, joyce, because we have -- let's just listen to ali alexander explain his role in all this. >> i was the person who came up with the january 6th idea, with congressman gosar, congressman mel brook

. >> joining us, msnbc legal analyst joyce vance. your thoughts on these texts? for a criminal jury to hear in this case. these texts provide some of the pieces that we've been talking about over time. you have heard many of the legal analysts say one of the most difficult challenges the justice department would face if it wanted to bring a prosecution is improving intent, proving that donald trump really knew that he lost the election and that the big lie was just that, an effort to steal the election. so having this text from trump jr that while the votes are still being counted acknowledges the loss and then lays out a strategy, it is not just deeply offensive to the american people, and i worry that sometimes we get lost in all of the back and forth on this and don't take that moment to be offended that a sitting president thought it was legitimate to bypass the will of the american people and steal the election for his own, but this provides that key element of proof the government would need to go forward with a prosecution, that they knew they had lost the

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attorney joyce vance who is an msnbc contributor. good to see you both. on reforming the justice department as his own chief of staff points out. take a listen. >> one reason why joe biden got elected was he promised that we'd take the decision over who got prosecuted and what away from the white house and put it in the justice department. only richard nixon and donald trump in the modern era believe that prosecution decisions should be made in the oval office, not at the justice department. we have returned the practice of every other president, democratic and republican has had since watergate. your thoughts on the attention needed on concern of the part of the white house as all of this being understood as political? >> so, i think ron klain, the chief of staff, gets it exactly right. you know, none of this is easy. there's not a perfect fix. we're in completely uncharted waters with a former president who clearly committed all sorts of misconduct, probably crimes, while he was in office. but when i teach democratic institutions to my law students, i t

and joyce vance. senior critic at large, robin gavon.aking to judge jackson's friends and family as we keep this live picture up as attendees are gathering right now. what are you hearing from them? what do we expect to see? who will be in attendance? >> it's a momentous and profound moment for our country but also for people who know judge jackson personally. i got ahold of her sister circle, her group chat people who have known her for a long time, both at harvard undergrad and law. they believe judge jackson has been brilliant and a star since she was a young college student. one of her friends even predicted she would become the first black woman on the supreme court. when i asked what does that feel like for that to happen? she squealed and said it feels like full circle. one of her friends said this was a painful process to watch. that people who love judge jackson understand she had to stay poised and do what she's always done, which is even keel and be fair. but it was disturbing to see all sorts of claims that they know not to b

attorney prosecutor joyce vance and david frum, a veteran of kov politics in a republican white house, special assistant to george w. bush. before we go to the law, i go to you on the entire context. what you hear there in the intense period sounds like people concerned more about violence than so-called cancel culture or other political claims of the right. it seem like they were really worried. what do you see as the significance in what's revealed on these tapes? >> it just travels us back in time to where we were in january after the -- this terrible incident. you'll remember during the second impeachment trial, people like mitch mcconnell didn't say, this was fine, nothing doing. they came up with a series of tactical reasons -- there hadn't been enough process, president trump was leaving office any way, but they went on the record about how dreadful what happened was and how donald trump was to blame. mcconnell said that on the floor of the senate. mccarthy spoke less forcefully, but also clearly -- donald trump was to blame for what happened here, he was morally responsible. t

because our friends, joyce vance, tweeted this. >> the judges that trump appointee had raided unqualifiednominated and had never tried a case. she clerked for justice thomas. elections matter in more ways than one. what do you think about the judges background? >> yes, so, look, i understand it. and she has never tried the case. that is a real failing for a district court judge. i think she probably, if you read her long opinion, it is not as if it's incoherent but that next step, the one that i'm talking about, i think it experience district court judge wouldn't do. she said that i am skittish about a nationwide injunction. but she goes ahead and does it anyway. so, perhaps that's the mark of an inexperienced judge which was the beef that the apa had with. or in any event, everybody in the country now -- the laws have been changed overnight. the united states could go very quickly to the court above her, but they might not give another consent expire in a few weeks. anyway >> yes, they are making that decision. so we'll wait and see what the administration has to say. but in the meantime

republican congressman from florida, the national truman of serve the movement, yellow moody and joyce vance with us. it's good to have all three of you with us. danielle, i will start with you, your reaction to what her speech. my ride and saying that that is how democrats can propose respond when republicans make their baseless accusations? >> it should absolutely be the way democrats respond. here's a thing about senator mick morrow, she was honest, she was authentic, she said and it all the things that democrats have been too afraid to do which is take on the culture wars head on. the bully and the schoolyard is not going to go away because you pretend they don't exist when they keep hitting you over, and over again. she did not defend herself. she stated who she was clearly an arctic clearly and laid into the ways that republicans are currently feeling the american people. that is why it needs to be done. she is the blueprint not because pollsters told or what to say, not because she did some sort of focus group, but she spoke her mind, she spoke her truth, and she stood up for herself.

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