she is also the author of "civil disclosure with joyce vance on sub stack."ce, again, taking off my glasses to talk to an attorney, specifically from the doj. i want to ask you if you're a u.s. attorney at this point, how are you squaring the idea that on one hand, the doj is continuing to prosecute people for offenses related to january 6th and on the other hand, donald trump has already said that he is looking to pardon all the january sixers within the first few minutes in office. >> so the pardons that donald trump is contemplating are very different sort of creature from the pardons that joe biden has just issued. you know, prosecutors don't always love it when someone receives a pardon after they've obtained a conviction. but there are very strong standards that have been used for evaluating these cases involving perhaps most importantly whether or not someone who is up for consideration would pose a threat, a danger to the community, if they were released f they were pardoned. that's the issue that donald trump seems to be willing to set aside here. th

joyce vance, special counsel to david weiss, when the president had held over as the u.s. attorney in delaware he was a trump appointee, just to show that he was then the u.s. attorney not the special counsel, but merrick garland made him the special counsel on the hunter case, leaning overboard, the biden white house said at the time to make sure they had no fingerprints on this and were not trying to, you know, weigh it in any way or influence it in any way. that's one of the reasons why the pardon doesn't sit well even with some democrats, congressman goldman, a former prosecutor in new york and others. andrew weissmann was saying the activity of this indictment not how it evolved but the indictment itself, it's a case he had never seen -- the kind of case, the firearms case in particular, that he had never seen criminally prosecuted and wouldn't have happened if his name were not biden. >> i think andrew's assessment is the correct one. if this had been john smith he would not have been charged with being someone addicted to illegal drugs and possession of a firearm. i

joyce vance, switching gears here, there is another issue which is the legal issue. a $15 million legal settlement with abc. now today he's suing, as he telegraphed at that news conference yesterday, ann selzer for consumer fraud over an election week poll. this is what trump said yesterday before he filed this new lawsuit. >> i have to do this. i shouldn't really be the one to do it. it should have been the justice department or somebody else. it costs a lot of money. we have to straighten out the press. our press is very corrupt. >> now, there are a couple of things in that comment, one of which i just want to flag. he's saying that the justice department should do this, file a civil suit on behalf of him. so is this what he expected the justice department to do for him when he's president, being his personal lawyer, not the legal system for the united states? that's kind of wild. and also what are the merits of a case like this against ann selzer, one of the most esteemed pollsters, who acknowledged he got it wrong in the week before the election. >> so it seems t

for more on this i'm joined by joyce vance, former united states attorney for the northern district of msnbc con director and columnist and co-host of the sisters-in-law podcast. also lisa rubin, former litigator and msnbc legal correspondent. good morning to both of you. thank you for being with us. lisa, only two previous fbi directors have been dismissed from their post by a president in the past. bill clinton fired william sessions in 1993 for allegedly misusing fbi funds for personal purposes, and then of course trump fired james comey back in 2017. now appears, chris wray will be fired or forced into retirement as well. talk to me about what that alone, this idea of not letting fib directors finish out their term in independence does to the institution and to the justice system. >> well, i am so glad that you focused on that because so many of us are focused on the abnormality of the people trump announced he would like to nominate we forget that the process he is trying to implement here is itself abnormal, atypical and violative of rule of law. the statute that gives the fbi di

attorney, joyce vance. she's a professor at the university of alabama school of law and co-host of the hashtag sisters podcast. sisters-in-law podcast. welcome to you both. >> so the court has a lot on his plate coming up. i mean, on january 10th, the court is going to hear arguments in the case about pausing this tiktok ban. i'm just wondering to the both of you, donald trump is flip-flopping on the tiktok. obviously, somebody got to him here. at one point, he was for ban, then he was against the ban, then he was for the ban again, now he's against a tiktok ban. i personally am a tiktok user, honey, but the control -- the stake by the chinese government, allegedly, is very concerning. what do you all think about this? because his -- i just want to read -- this is from nbc news reporting. it notes that donald trump -- president -- this is what his lawyers say. president trump takes no position on the underlying merits of the dispute. instead, he respectfully requests that the court considers staying the act

attorney, professor at the university of alabama law school, and msnbc legal analyst, joyce vance.mer associate deputy director of the bureau of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms and explosives who is quoted in "the new york times" article, tom chitm. good to see both of you. joyce, i want tastart with d.a. bragg saying there may be additional charges. there's already murder. what else might be possible? >> right. there may well be charges related to the gun itself. you know, ghost guns are a hot ticket. atf has a case currently in front of the supreme court involving the regulation of ghost guns. there could be something that lies in with that. as well as with transportation across state lines. but as you point out, chris, none of those charges will be more significant than the murder charge. they may permit prosecutors to tell the story more completely or even offer some fodder for a plea deal. >> so tom, let's talk about this alleged murder weapon. the nypd chief of detectives said it could have been 3d printed. first of all, is it easy to figure out whether it was? how does someon

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george solis in altoona, pennsylvania, michael alcazar and joyce vance, co-host of the sisters in law podcast. tom, you've been all over this case from the beginning. you broke the news of the suspect being found, person of interest. what have you been able to pull from his manifesto? his other writings on social media that show his empathy towards the unabomber? >> two things there, andrea. the first one are the writings this individual apparently had on his person or in his backpack at the time he was taken into custody. as you just referenced. there's two specific quotes of it, which may be helpful. one says to the feds, i'll keep this short because i do respect what you do for our country to save you a lengthy investigation, i say plainly i wasn't working with anyone. to be clear, andrea, while law enforcement officials believe he acted alone, they have not ruled out anybody else. so just want to be clear on that point. secondly, he apparently wrote i do apologize for any strife or traumas, but it had to be done. frankly, these parasites simply had it coming. it's three pages, but

joyce vance, your thoughts on hunter biden being pardoned by his father? but the reality here is, if this was anyone other than joe biden's son, no one would object to a pardon on these facts. the pardon process is meant to do mercy, justice. it's often used for people, most frequently used for people who are guilty of the crimes that they've committed, where there are extenuating factors at work. as i say, if this was not joe biden's son, no one would object. but we are clearly here because this is joe biden's son. while judges may not have seen fit to dismiss the cases under high legal standards for selective and vindictive prosecution, there's a clear feeling here these cases would not have been indicted if anyone other than joe biden's son was involved in the conduct and on that basis, you can understand how these -- this pardon makes sense under the circumstances. >> and i've been reporting for a better part of a year now about the weight, the personal toll this took on president biden, the concerning he had about his son and guilt he felt. he would t

joining me now is joyce vance, former u.s.he northern district of alabama, kristi greenberg, former federal prosecutor who served in the attorney's office of the southern district of new york and melissa murray, professor of law at nyu and cohost of the strict scrutiny podcast. i cannot believe my fortune in heaven all three of you to talk about this. joyce, let me start with you. in terms of how we should be speak thinking about the federal courts and what the supreme court did in its decision in and around the election interference case. should we believe future prosecutions of president's or former president is all but impossible at the federal level at this point? >> i think we have to set the table 1st, alex, and say that donald trump did to the courts what he has done consistently. he is an institution destroyer, not an institution builder. a big part of the problem we face in assessing the courts and how they may interact in the trump 2.0 presidency is the fact that he managed to undercut public confidence in the courts

we're going to be joined now by msnbc legal analyst, joyce vance. welcome, joyce. joyce, what do you make of this? president biden had been resolute about not pardoning his son. now it seems he's going to use this absolute privilege to pardon his son. what do you make of this? >> well, president biden does have the power to do this unilaterally. no one can overrule him and with hunter biden's sentencing coming up fast, scheduled for this week, undoubtedly this began to weigh on him. we all lived through donald trump's efforts to abuse and to twist the justice department there were some skirmishes involving michael cohen, donald trump's former lawyer who went to prison after he turned on donald trump and there were issues about his release and whether he was treated the same way other prisoners were being treated. so i'm sure those sorts of issues weighed heavily on president biden. but i want to underscore something mary said. which is that this is not unleashing the flood gates on abuse of presidential power by president biden. this is president biden exercising a

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joining me now is joyce vance, former u.s.n district of alabama, kristi greenberg who served for over a decade in the u.s. attorney's office in the southern district of new york and alyssa murray, a professor of law at nyu and cohost of the strict scrutiny broadcast. thank you for being here with me. i can't believe my fortune and having you guys to talk about this. in terms of how we should be thinking about the federal courts and what the supreme court did in its decision in and around trump's election interference case should we be left to believe future prosecution of presidents or ex- president is all but impossible at the federal level at this point? >> so, i think we have to set the table 1st and say that donald trump did to the courts what he has done consistently. he's an institution destroyer, not an institution builder. a big part of the problem we face in assessing courts and how they may interact in the trump 2.0 presidency is the fact he's managed to undercut public confidence in the courts . as i think about tha

joining me now is joyce vance, former u.s.district of alabama, kristi greenberg of former federal prosecutor serving in the u.s. attorney's office in the southern district of new york. thank you for being here with me. i can't believe my fortunate having all of you to talk about this. joyce, let me begin with you. in terms of how we should think about the federal court and what they did in their decision around the trumpet election election interference case. should we be led to believe the prosecution of presidents or ex- presidents is impossible at a federal level at this point? >> so, i think we have to sit at the table, first , donald trump did to the courts what he's done consistently. he's an institution destroyer not an institution builder. a problem that we face in the courts and how they might interact in the trump 2.0 presidency is the fact he's managed to undercut public confidence within the court. as i think of that, i think increasingly our confidence in the courts, although in many ways it has been shaken, we sh