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attorney joyce vance. joyce, we know that new york city governor, that new york governor hochul is meeting with new york city leaders right now. she's the only one with the authority to remove mayor adams. what could she base that removal on? and it's actually quite a lengthy process that's never been tried before. right? >> well, it is. >> it would be unique. and it's based upon the fact that the mayor is incapable of performing the duties of his office due to this indictment. so new york's governor, kathy hochul, will have that power, uniquely in her hands, to consider. >> uniquely in her hands to consider. so what do you think she's waiting to hear from some of these stakeholders? of course there's the politics. but with you, i'll focus on the legal question. what might they be able to present to her? >> well, there are interesting legal issues at work. tomorrow, a federal judge in manhattan will consider in the first instance whether he will go along with the government's request to dismiss these charge

joining us now is joyce vance, former u.s. iversity of alabama school of law. she's an msnbc legal analyst, a senior fellow at the brennan center for justice at nyu law. joyce, i'm intrigued by your theory of the game here because there are lots of questions about what exactly are they going for and what data do they want. and what happens when it gets in the wrong person's hands. but i think fundamentally, it's important for some of us to simply think of the alteration of government that is underway, both by donald trump and some of the executive orders he's undertaking, and by elon musk and these quasi official people going in and getting access to things that we as citizens believe. only government officials with the proper clearances should have access to. >> right. what we're seeing appears to be a real accumulation of power in the hands of the president. something that goes beyond the. balance between. >> the three branches of government that the. >> founding fathers intended, where congress would prevent a president. >>

attorney joyce vance. kelly, first to you. plan to get these people back to work? >> well, part of it is outreach to simply say to those workers who have been fired that. >> those terminations. >> are being rescinded and for them to reach out to their former agencies. this is the kind of hurried approach. that creates a lot of unintended consequences. so the federal government did not maintain personal email or personal contact information for employees. so once they were severed from the federal systems, their government email, their government contact information cease to exist. and so pulling them back becomes much more difficult. so we're seeing in a real world experiment here how this is so very different than the kind of mass layoffs or upheaval that might take place in a private sector company. here we're finding there are so many elements across the federal government where there are health, national security, public safety components to the work that people do and when they are pulled out of their jobs, there's a real

attorney joyce vance, pulitzer prize winning reporter tim weiner. coming up, two of president trump's other cabinet picks face senate scrutiny this week tulsi gabbard and rfk jr, both facing tough questions about whether they're fit to run two crucial agencies that also keep americans safe. plus, we'll turn to the middle east, where three more hostages have been released by hamas today, including the american dual citizen keith siegel. a live citizen keith siegel. a live report from tel aviv next. protect against rsv with arexvy. arexvy is a vaccine used to prevent lower respiratory disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. arexvy does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions to its ingredients. those with weakened immune systems may have a lower response to the vaccine. the most common side effects are injection site pain, fatigue, muscle pain, headache and joint pain. arexvy is number one in rsv vaccine shots. rsv? make it arexvy. >> many animals are starving wondering if food will ever. come with the. unbearab

attorney joyce vance. so, garrett, what is the white house reaction to these lawsuits, the court actions? >> well, andrea, broadly speaking, on the lawsuits, the white house is confident they will win all or most of these eventually. they believe they have wide latitude as the top of the executive branch to make decisions about how executive agencies are run and that ultimately courts will rule in their favor, even if it takes a little while. on the pause on the so-called buyout program specifically, though, the white house press secretary put out a statement yesterday somewhat sarcastically thanking the judge for extending the deadline. she says, to allow for more workers who don't want to come into the office again. that's her framing of it, not the way the program is necessarily structured to take advantage of what they call a once in a lifetime opportunity. of course, the deadline was arbitrarily set by d.o.j. and by the white house. they could have moved it themselves were they so inclined. but nevert

and joyce vance is a former u.s. attorney professor at the university of alabama school of law and msnbc legal analyst. so, joyce, what is exactly in this order and what is the practical impact? well, this is a very brief. >> order from. >> the judge. >> in rhode. >> island saying. >> look, government. >> it. >> appears to me, based on the evidence that's been put in front of me. >> by the. collective states. >> attorneys general. who are the. >> plaintiffs in this action, that you. >> haven't been following. my order. >> that order. >> is a very temporary pause. it's called a. >> tro that tells. >> the government. >> you must. >> discontinue this blanket freeze. on spending. >> it appears to the judge that the government has not done that. and so the judge is now. >> saying you have. an obligation. >> to. >> comply with my. >> order immediately. >> you haven't done it. >> you need. >> to do. >> it now. >> and garrett, let me read to you directly from the order which i just got my hands on as well as joyce did. it say

attorney joyce vance, who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor. she's also a law professor at the university of alabama. and hayes brown joins us, msnbc daily columnist and editor. okey dokey. let's start with federal employees, some 60,000. that sounds like a big number, but it is not. some are taking these buyouts. but now the program the buyout program is getting, i'm not going to say completely stopped, but at least held up in court. right. donald trump has announced lots of big changes, but day in and day out we are seeing them get roadblocked. >> we're seeing them get. >> roadblocked for now. like your point about it being very. >> early in. >> the. >> game. >> is a good one, but i am afraid it cuts both ways. >> like. >> yes. we're seeing federal courts step up and say what you're doing. doesn't seem like it's really on the money. i have. >> a lot of questions. >> we're going to pause these. >> things while we take. >> a look and see if there's a case. but what. i'm worried about with this administration, especially with people like russ vo

. >> joining me now, joyce vance, she's a former united states attorney for the northern district ofior fellow at the brennan center for justice and co-host of the sisters in law podcast. joyce, i will say i have managed to make it through the entire eric adams saga without really talking about it. it's mostly been a local news story. it's remarkably interesting, but it wasn't generally going to be. a thing we talked about in the last 48 hours has completely upended that. let's start with this case. mayor adams denies the charges, as we said. but his original memo doesn't actually call into question the facts of the case. it does not call into question the investigation or the evidence. so tell me how this how this played out. if the facts are not in question, the ability to possibly get a conviction is not in question. the evidence and the process are not in question. what else could it be? >> well. >> i mean, i think that that's a question that. >> we all know the answer to. right. and we. >> saw. >> tom homan. >> deliver the answer. >> on that. >> fox news. >> clip that you. >> ju

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joyce vance, also joining us, former united states attorney for the northern district of alabama.a senior fellow for the brennan center for justice, co-host of the sisters in law podcast, and an msnbc contributor and columnist. good morning to both of you. thank you for being with us. congressman. it's important to talk to somebody like you because you are on the two committees, the budget and the ways and means committee, which arguably are the things that the constitution refers to when it says congress has got to meet at least once a year to appropriate funds for the operation of the government. it's a constitutional responsibility that is given to members of congress. but what we've seen play out in the last 19 days, and in particular in the last week with elon musk and doge, is not that we're seeing something else happen. so if we want to have real arguments about where money should be saved or spent, it is on the committees that you you populate and in the halls of congress, not with elon musk and doge. >> that's absolutely. >> right, ali. >> and i really appreciate the focu

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joyce vance. >> garrett. >> this is the second. >> time in a week now. >> that president trump. >> and elon. >> musk have had a. >> high profile. >> joint appearance. >> what exactly. >> is the strategy here? >> well, i think. >> there are a couple of pieces to it. first, i think there's an effort to put a sort of patina of transparency on. >> the work. >> that they've been doing, largely behind the scenes to reform the federal workforce. second, to put a. >> friendlier face. >> on what have been mass firings around the government. and i think third, to show that they can't be separated, that these two are presenting a united front and that, you know, attacks from democrats about musk as the co president or complaints that he is an unelected person doing the work of the president, don't seem to be bothering them. musk described his role in a way that i think is useful for people to understand, too, essentially saying he is part tech support and part enforcer, that he sees it as his job to make sure that the executive orders that the president is signing are actually getting followed th

. >> joining me now, joyce vance, former federal prosecutor, now university of alabama law professor, co-host of the sisters in law podcast and an msnbc legal analyst. joyce, welcome to you. so two notions stand out to me from that statement by senator murphy, comparisons to watergate and constitutional crisis by definition. are we in a constitutional crisis? and whatever this is, is it worse than watergate? >> yeah, i think it's. >> very difficult to make those. comparisons in the moment, simply because we don't know what's. going to come next. we know what happened in watergate. ultimately, the rule of law and the constitution held here. we have questions heading into this week. >> and so i think the. >> best answer alex. >> i can give. >> is to say this. >> elections have consequences. >> and one is that presidents get to set priorities. donald trump can decide that immigration is the most. important thing he wants to do during his term in office. people may agree or they may disagree, but he has that power as president. the question now is whether he has other power and authority

attorney joyce vance. really quickly, though, guys, before we start and jump in, i want to show the king of jordan arriving at the white house. this is about half an hour later than we expected him to be arriving there. but of course, a high stakes meeting as you see him there shaking hands with president trump, they will turn and face the cameras. garrett hake is, of course, monitoring that for us. he's not with us yet, but we'll get him to a camera as soon as possible. it does look, just in watching this feed, like there might have been a quick question exchange. it doesn't look like we saw a ton from the president there. but, sam, i want to start with you. as someone who's tracking this white house so closely as well, what are you expecting out of this meeting with the king of jordan? the stakes really couldn't be higher. >> yeah. i mean. >> we're in this incredibly bizarre. >> and delicate place. >> where trump has. >> said he wants to. >> forcibly remove. >> millions of palestinians from the gaza stri

attorney joyce vance joins us. she spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor, and she's a law professor at the university of alabama. luke broadwater is here, pulitzer prize winning white house correspondent for the new york times and coauthor of the new book madhouse. it's coming out next month. isaac rosendorf is with us, national political reporter for the washington post. and john allen is here, senior national politics reporter for nbc news. he coauthored the new book, fight inside the wildest battle for the white house. that book comes out april 1st. all right, guys, we have a lot to cover. joyce, you know i'm going legal with you first. there are so much happening with this adam story. what's your reaction? well, i think. >> the reaction. >> is to really applaud the courage and the heroism of the prosecutor in new york who resigned rather than affect what's really just an unconscionable order to dismiss a case for transparent political purposes, but also the prosecutors in the district of columbia who immediate

attorney joyce vance, who. >> spent 25. years as a federal prosecutor. she is now a law professor. >> at the university of alabama. >> mr. baker, we. turn to you first. we're going to get. >> to we're. >> going to. >> get to ukraine in. >> a moment. >> but i. >> want to. >> start with this report about the postal service. >> president trump tried. >> to get involved in his first term. now here we are. it would have huge consequences. >> not just for those who say, well. >> the postal. >> service has to tighten up their game. i got to send a package on a sunday. it's more expensive than ups. explain to us. >> how it could impact. >> elections, because that could. >> be a top reason why. >> the president cares so much. >> yeah, it's a good question. look, there's plenty of issues involving the postal service that many people think need to be addressed. but nobody, at least a lot of people, don't think that it's what donald trump is really concerned about. what he is concerned about are a couple of things. one, amazon uses the postal service to deliver pack