an event that's within, you know, 24 hours, 48 hours, you don't rely on the regular pass it to the jttf, hope that the capitol police officer on the jttf happens to push it fast enough and far enough up his chain of command. you as a leader pick up the phone and call that police chief and said, hey, i just saw one that really concerned me, i think you need to take a look at it. >> dana, one thing viewers around the country probably understand more now after that horrific insurrection day, when you hear all the different stakeholders here, this is a complicated collision of jurisdictions in the sense that the united states capitol police is responsible for the capitol building. the house sergeant of arms' priority is house members. the senate sergeant of arms is senate members. the d.c. police has no jurisdiction on the capitol grounds. the d.c. mayor cannot deploy the national guard, it has to go to the pentagon because it's not a state. in this case the dysfunction in between cost lives. >> i'm going to add one more dynamic to that. in congress, for the sergeant in arms, the house and

as well as the executive board for the jttf. >> i'm just -- i'm flabbergasted that not that you don't know now but there's no public information about why we have all these national guards here. does that surprise you? >> it's a significant security deployment. again, i believe it's based on the facts of what they've soon. you know, hindsight being what it is, the facts what occurred on january 6th is unprecedented insurrection. >> yeah. thank you, mr. chairman. >> thank you, senator. senator hassen, you're recognized for your questioning. >> thanks, mr. chair, and thanks to all of the witnesses for being here today. i especially want to take a moment to acknowledge the heroism of the officers of the u.s. capitol police, law enforcement, and other employees at the capitol who bravely worked to protect our democracy on january 6th and have done so much work to restore our capitol since that day. i also want to thank all of the families of our law enforcement and capitol hill staff for what they went through watching this unfold in real time. i want to start with a question to chief con

jttf distribution list that we have is not something that is a monitored list 24 hours a day, seven daysdiate response to that. when those communications are sent out, there are staff members who at some point will get to that information. again, as has been laid out when we're talking about something of this magnitude that could potentially happen and ultimately did happen in our city, it should posture us to move differently. perhaps with convening phone calls immediately and not counting on an e-mail or something making it through the chain to, the level that it needs to make for other decisions to be made. >> thank you for that answer. one of the things i would observe is sometimes ahead of events like these, just scheduling on going check-ins with leadership at all of the agencies that need to coordinate can have the effect of sharing information in real-time. i want to move to a question to mr. irving and mr. sund. secretary of homeland security has the authority to designate events with national and international significance as national special security events but that didn't hap

information, it was raw information that we had, that we received through the same lines, through the jttf. that information was not fully vetted and had not been sent through the chains of the metropolitan police department. what the metropolitan police department was prepared for was the larger violence and demonstrations that we expected to see in our city. >> i have to ask the same question. what did you know on january 5 this? quickly, chief sun, what did you know on january 5? what did you expect? >> i was concerned. we had the intelligence coming out, the intelligence we would be planning for. again, keep in mind the intelligence assessments we had developed at the end of december, and the one for january 3rd, were very, very similar. they just provided a little more specificity, so we had already been planning for the threat for violence, the threat for armed people protesting. that's what we were planning for. if you refer to the norfolk letter, again, i just became aware that the department was aware of that 24 hours ago, so on the 6th or the 5th or the 4th, i was not aware that

it was raw information that we had that we received through the same lines, through the jttf, not fully vetted and haven't been yet through the metropolitan police department. what they were prepared for was the larger violence and demonstrations we expected to see in our city. >> i have to ask mr. son the same question now. what did you know as of tuesday night, january 5th? because i have a follow-up for both of you on this one. so quickly, mr. son, what did you know on january 5th and were you alarmed or not alarmed? what did you expect? >> so, yeah. i was concerned. we had the intelligence that was coming out, the intelligence we'd been planning for. again, keep in mind, the temgs assessments we had developed at the end of december, the one for january 3rd were very, very stim. they just provided a little bit more specificity, so we had already been planning for the threat for violence, the threat for armed people protesting. that's what we were planning for. now, if you're referring to the norfolk letter, again, i just became aware that the department was aware of that 24 hours ago

. >> and they pushed out that information through this jttf structure. >> it was immediately disseminatedd post operations to all levels of law enforcement. >> the fbi says two part-time bombs discovered near the capitol on january 6th were placed there the night before. >> new video appears to show a person suspected of planting pipe bombs near the u.s. capitol the night before. >> the fbi now says the bombs were planted the night before the capitol siege between 7:30 and 8:30 p.m. >> they were planted the day before. >> all goes to the idea of premeditation and coordination amongst individuals. >> this was a planned assault. >> so to answer the question of the house manager does anybody believe that this would have occurred but for the speech from donald trump, i do. all of these facts make clear the january 6th speech did not cause the riots. the president did not cause the riots. he neither explicitly or implicitly encouraged the use of violence or lawless action but in fact called for peaceful exercise of every american's first amendment rights to peacefully assemble and petition the