juan carlos ruiz, can you talk about what is happening, in denver, philadelphia, people ining my french-- refuge churches like the old sanctuary movement. >> the majority of our people are not going to find any relief. it is a hopeful sign, his executive order, but it is fragile. we not know what is going to happen after the new administration. so, what we have been doing around the nation -- our faith communities are organizing to really push the envelope, to really allow the people who are suffering from this -- these unjust laws to tell their stories, to humanize. right now, i think there is a on --e, a cultural bent culture bent on distraction, separating our families, on enforcing a law that is still very much splitting up the people from our communities. >> what has been the response from the hierarchies of some of the major churches to the sanctuary movement of individual churches? >> the sense of justice and outrage is felt, but i am afraid churches,times we as religious institutions, we fall into the trap where we have a great infrastructure of servicing, and we do not do enoug