. >> let me just say, juan ntinues to say they are needy, they are needed. it doesn't matter. need is not a standardf value. if you want to he people in need, help them. it happens all the time. government is not a charity. you can't use force to alleviate what you see as societal ills. >> go ahead, juan. >> it is not a matter of force. again, we are as a society, we are america. and the idea that you guys want to demonize the poor and you want to be push it to the curb, gee -- >> we are not. you are driving -- is. >> i think that's a shame. you should understand and you have all said it. the military is bloated in this country. and it is a driver of our deficit. it is a huge driver. >> you are riding a pyre in a crowded movie theater now. maybe there are ways to cut back on certain areas of the military. but, however, on the back, we have to go. the thought of a military man having to pay more for his health care when we are flipping over backwards to make sure pajama boy gets his free obamacare, this sin sanity? >> it is insanity. it is a disgrace. we should be treating our