juan serate is in washington, dc.ecial note in his bio, deputy assistant to the president, deputy national security adviser for combatting terrorism under president george w. bush, senior fellow at the west point terrorism center, where they combat terrorism. we should note, former federal prosecutor who served on terrorism prosecution teams prior to 9/11. in philadelphia is our friend malcolm nance, 30-year veteran of the counterterrorism business, a veteran of special ops and intelligence agencies. two decades in clandestine antiterrorism, counterterrorism intelligence. u.s. navy, arabic-trained, intelligence collections operator and field interrogator, notable for our next conversation, and the author of "defeating isis." gentlemen, it's good to have you both with us. malcolm, we'll start with you, because it was saturday night, you and i were both on the air together by telephone while this was unfolding, and you said something that stopped me in my tracks. you said, and i'm paraphrasing you, that in your line of

juan serate is in washington, dc.cial note in his bio, deputy assistant to the president, deputy national security adviser for combatting terrorism under president george w. bush, senior fellow at the west point terrorism center, where they combat terrorism. we should note, former federal prosecutor who served on terrorism prosecution teams prior to 9/11. in philadelphia is our friend malcolm nance, 30-year veteran of the counterterrorism business, a veteran of special ops and intelligence agencies. two decades in clandestine antiterrorism, counterterrorism intelligence. u.s. navy, arabic-trained, intelligence collections operator and field interrogator, notable for our next conversation, and the author of "defeating isis." gentlemen, it's good to have you both with us. malcolm, we'll start with you, because it was saturday night, you and i were both on the air together by telephone while this was unfolding, and you said something that stopped me in my tracks. you said, and i'm paraphrasing you, that in your line of w