i once called her at nine in been to ask a question about judaism. when i reach her she was riding a bus from school. she was completing a degree for teaching special needs children. she answered my question with the same cheerfulness and wisdom that she did whenever i had such questions. but i was curious about the bus she was writing so late in the evening on a weeknight. when i questioned her, she told me it was the third bus she had taken. that evening to get home from school. sex buses night after a day of work, a practice she continued on and off for 20 years. and i never heard of word of complaint. in her 30s, she joined a synagogue in san francisco. it's rabbi was alan. one of his words of advice was that everyone should discover their divine name. which was derived from the attribute which they hated most about themselves. but which was the source of the greatest virtue. it was god's gift to them. to explain this, rabbi, we refer to the story of jacob who was never satisfied with who he was. the name jacob is derived from the root which mean

we can't look at israel just as an extension of judaism. it is the state. it is a nation state.t is capable of making poor policy decisions to embark on questionable military ventures were as judaism is that german dusted language. a very different. but it's not conflate the two. less take a look with clear eyes. a nation state. not all the time their interest is our interest. if we can start making these distinctions we can shape a strategy that is more credible than the one we have no. >> host: have you ever been called an anti-semite? >> guest: one time in the blog last week. the first time ever. i have very good relationships with people in the israeli government. one of the few remaining. i make a point of going there because the food is terrific. the social scene is unbelievable. i spend a lot of time in israel. i find it to be of very attractive country. very vibrant. i was could france. look, i was friends. sat down a number of times. really admired him. when i think that, no, i have not been called an anti-semite with, and i don't think i will be. i talked to everybody.

she was very avid when it came to judaism and other things. she was a very avid student of judaism. one of our conversations, which i didn't go into was about the concept because there was a concept which is the one that i make war against, if you will. which is that the whole world can be healed by human beings. i think this is a very dangerous idea. it's the root of all radicalism. and, of course, it's the root of the islamic war against the west. the idea that if you convert everybody to islam, the world would be a holy place. no, it won't. of course, the first chapters of genesis tell us why. we were given paradise in the garden of eden. and it just showed we couldn't handle it. there was only one thing -- to stay in paradise -- all you had to not do was want to taste evil. it's the knowledge of good and evil. and to know evil is to participate in evil. and that was too much for us. and why? because we wanted to be as god. it's all in the first -- whatever six, eighteen chapters of genius versus. so you can see i'm not a biblical scholar. the desire to be as gods and redeem the

judaism doesn't prophesies, exclusion on. much doesn't anymore. [laughter] it also doesn't say the messiah has ardie khan. >> hi, my question is about engagement and maybe the role for engagement. there is a lot of discussion about speech and advocating it in standing up for her. i've been doing work in china and often when protest china does make it harder for people working in the system. so i just want to see your thoughts on the balance between engagement and protest i guess. >> well, yuki. i suppose it must sometimes be true that if everyone kept quiet for us for a certain state and didn't give its government the impression that foreigners were intervening, that it might make life easier for the local dissonant. one is often told that. burrell told her example that iranians don't welcome support for their efforts from outsiders because they can then be identified were even criminalized. but that's albright as long as the regime that saw stateside of my life. the bureau nance will do that. they say they want to export people to kill someone, p

goldberg by the way at the end of his life was just in all efforts to lie from him for conversion to judaismshe knew when she met the miller family. and mr. and mrs. miller used to feed her because she needed a bit of fattening up. i suppose will give without. until the evening when she asked if they ever ate any other matter. [laughter] ms. monroe -- [inaudible] she was rather a modest, shy little girl. and the bathroom in the house is a bit too near the living room. swathe of shyness as you could say, she used to, when she retired their, turn on all the top story about lily, just out of discretion, you know, you wanted not to depress bmis. end up she'd gone and he turned to his mother and said what did you take. she's a very nice girl, but she sure pieces like a racehorse. [laughter] okay, i had to do that, but it's not strictly to the purpose. somebody told me that it was possible that attendance was down because of an attempted travesty in times square last night. and if that was true, i would greatly depress and i would take it as an opportunity to remind what i wanted to talk about in

collection what she said we'd love all those books but to have balance we need to also bring a book about judaism or islam. and that really dried up any -- so there's always these characters that i really enjoyed kind of connecting with that i stayed in touch with. and have -- even the p.r. guy at pilgrims pride who fired me -- i actually really liked him. he was acting on orders from above. we had this really fun firing experience where we sat for about a half hour. and he told me -- like he told me he ordered my other books and they read my articles. and what i realized is the h.r. folks at a poultry plant have a lot of similarities between the people that work in the poultry plants on the floor. their job is totally monot mis. -- monotonous. they are constantly trying fill slots. when i was there, they were running four to five orientations, full orientations a week to keep the work force up 'cause everyone was dropping out so fast. there are people that i kept in touch with. i really look forward -- i mean, it would be great if i see a bunch of people in yuma, you know. >> were there a lot of

overt views of christian identity and to the extent that they could, they sought to limit symbols of judaism as well. so my point is that was an attempt to be even handed in the removal of religious symbolism. in the context of georgia in the 1950s, these were not religious beliefs. what were being pursued was illegal activity associated with criminal behavior witch had been outlawed at the federal and the state level and this was an effort to pursue that policy to achieve that result. so there's a distinction between within the first amendment as you know regarding religious liberty and religious freedom. the question that goes to the issue of whether good speech can negate bad speech, i can only cite two examples. first, as frank sharry mentioned, the lou dobbs example. he had gotten out of his box. he had cross the line and was engaging in a misstatement of truth and fact regarding some of the most important policy issues facing the country today. a courageous according -- organization started a campaign in which nay solicited support to encourage individuals in civil society to speak out