>> don, you know, i also advised a movie called "contagion qu," in the film, we had jude law who tried someone a cure on the world, for the fingsctional virus, and the fictional cure was forsythia. and oleander. and we have heard about this extract in cardiovascular illnesses. it does have a viral in a test tube but we have hundreds of thousands of herbs that have anti-viral in a test tube. the elevating of it in the president's ear is humiliating. it's not science. it's not right. >> to have someone like that, look, the guy's done well for himself. we can't doubt that. he's not a scientist. test not a doctor. and to have him touting this sort of miracle cure, i mean, it sounds like -- it feels like a sign of december per trasperati from this level because they don't want to face a reality where we are and how they screwed this up. >> i wouldn't put the blame on him. >> no, i said the desperation from the administration, not him. >> whether it's bleach or the obsession with hydroxychloroquine, the lack of attention to detail, science, that characterizing the u.s. government and the tru