there were judges who had worked with judgeroll and i had judges from louisiana and nevada and they were willing to take 20 or 30 of his cases. they were willing to come and take over his caseload for a while. they ask what needed to be done. they stood ready to step in and help. there is something to the idea that adversity and lack of resources, up to a point, bring you together. when it comes to reliance on staff, i worry about that. we have gone a different way from the state courts. we have a strong emphasis on chamber staff. some judges have permanent clerks. we have limited the ability to hire more than one. you can but they cannot get salaries that go up. the fact that we have a strong emphasis on law clerks has a tendency to keep us young. i can't get about 28 hours a day from my clerks. [laughter] >> are they sleeping in the office? [laughter] >> they are not sleeping but they are lacking an opinion. [laughter] i think there is a limit to all of this. it would become far more stress. at the court of appeals, we are in a fabulous the situation. in arizona, they are in terrible s