and if the judicial commission of inquiry will be established, the judicial commission of inquiry will give an open space for everybody to clear their names and those who are guilty to be dealt with by the wrath of the law. well, because it hasn't been tested in the court, i don't know how you can assure me that no one in the anc government is corrupt or taking backhanded sweeteners, because the process hasn't been carried through. but what i will tell you is your assurances to me that the anc leadership is united are clearly nonsensical, because not only am i quoting to you cyril ramaphosa, who is demanding a proper investigation, listen to these words from the anc‘s parliamentary chief whip, jackson mthembu, he says, "we in the anc are fractured to the core, we are divided, we are busy scoring spectacular own goals, and all that we are concerned about is accumulating wealth as if there is no tomorrow." yes, jackson mthembu might have expressed that particular viewpoint. his views in relation to the matters of corruption, they are not only a matter of concern. the state is intact. the