and here in our studio, judith browne dianis with the advancement project, which focuses on issues aroundquality.... and carroll doherty with the pew research center. carroll doherty, we'll start by looking at numbers you've awe accumulated over the years about confidence in police and the difference in how white and black people see it. according to the chart, over time, people basically have the same gap. whites trust the police more or think it's more equal treatment and blacks don't. this hasn't changed. >> it really hasn't. our most recent polling was done a couple of weeks after the ferguson incident, but the gap had been there for 20 years prior. you see around 70% of whites saying they have a great deal or a fair amount of confidence in the local police to treat the races equally. only about half as many blacks say that. >> ifill: we have been through many of the incidents. think about rodney king, treyvon martin and now this one. do the numbers ever shicht? >> the blacks were a little less confident in the wake of ferguson, the very negative numbers were up, but the overall gap h