judith miller is a pulitzer prize-winning journalist who has interviewed the prime minister, and as wek at those pictures, i'm curious to know, you sat down with him. what he tell you. >> he told me he was going to do what israel needed, no matter who cared and no matter who objected. he was that kind of man. larger than life. absolutely certain in his opinions. the kind of man we have not seen in the region for quite some time. >> nicknamed the bull bulldozer but shocked the world. >> he gave if sacred israeli splashed was preparing to give up even more sacred israeli land which was the left bank, when he had his stroke. he decided that he did not want the united states to impose a solution on him. and that if anybody was going to draw a line, it would be the borders of israel it would be an israeli prime minister, not an american president. >> he is the person i often quote when i tell young people, of you don't make a decision, others will decide for you. he railed against that. he didn't want anyone making decisions for them. the secretary of state john kerry has made ten, 101 trip

judith miller is with us as well. so before we get in to this, these developments are fascinating. fascinating aspects is africom is nothing more than a shell. and i have to say that i was surprised at that. how do you think that that factored into what did or did not happen? >> you have to talk about another eason why to be prepared because there was a spontaneous video that was because of this. i think that is 450 page tracript that we are just learning about now, it really calls into question some of the administration questioning what happened and it's not going to be good for hillary clinton. lou: it is also not good for "the new york times." >> they just finished months of investigation and one byline story by person who is based in cairo. h was viewed as and they were from the christian coptic community and he had also reported to libya that a video is responsible in part for this affair and he sent back to do another story and basically we examined this. lou: let me turn to you, ralph. the assets that were available because as you well know much of it has been why in the wo

ron christie, and fox news contributor jud judith miller.bony williams, good to have you here, since i mentioned you last ebony, i turn to you first, sperling said it is false there was a quote, unquote magic number that after the washington post, had given administration two pinnochios for lying about 7 million. >> i have to say even as a left wing supporter that number was certainly -- out there. it was the target number, we heard from secretary kathleen sebelius, now this is an opportunity for dang to kind of make a fuller statement, saying that was an ideal number we would be satisfied with continual yee enroll am. lou: a half million. >> well not a hf a million. they need more, but ty need more context on what the number represents. lou: judy, context, this dang has a hard time -- this dang has a haradministration has a hard e dealing with context. >> i think that is a very good theme for them this tale of two country, de blasio large theme, rich versus -- >> de blasio has just been in office for a couple of days, president for 5 years,

jon: judith miller, kirsten powers. thank you both. >> thank you.boston mobster, james "whitey" bulger convicted of multiple murders was reportedly brought to tears by a touching love note from his girlfriend. the attorney for bulger reportedly hand delivering a note his client wrote to his girlfriend, something the mobster never thought the prison officials would allow. bulger's girlfriend, catherine greg behind bars reportedly helping him hide from police. we are told she responded that we spent 16 years on the run together best arrest in 2011 and we set them up for a nice reality tv series on their romance. jon: guy convicted -- jenna: horrible things. jon: participating in what, 16 murders, crying over his girlfriend. >>> target reveals a massive data breach affecting tens of thousands or 10 of millions of americans actually was bigger than originally reported. just how far it went. >>> plus danger beneath the snow. some expert advice on avalanche safety in light of several recent deaths in the west. rmer:n idaho potato farmer. and our giant ida

let's talk about it with judith miller, pulitzer prize winning investigative reporter and author.rs, columnist for "the daily beast." both are fox news contributors. kirsten, i start with you, as i understand it you agree with what the newspapers have to say. you think edward snowden ought to be exonerated here? >> absolutely. i think he, if it wasn't for him we wouldn't know so much we now know about the government surveillance program. and if the obama administration had been transparent the way that they said that they would be, that obama promised he would be, then edward snowden wouldn't have had to release all of this information. and i think he has done a public service and i don't think he should be punished for it. i think he should be absolutely given clemency. he shouldn't have to live his whole life on the run. jon: judy, what do you think? welcome this guy back home, throw him a tickertape parade down sixth avenue in new york? >> no, i don't think so, jon. i'm in between the kind of hero and traitor camps. there are people like kirsten who say, look, two out of three

let's get reaction from judith miller, pulitzer-prize-winning reporter and fox news contributor and kirstens, columnist for fox news contributetory as well. kirsten, fox news and rush limbaugh are the only problems that lie between the president and convincing the country he is doing everything right. >> pretty awesome power, isn't it. more powerful than the president of the united states and leader of the free world. look, i think the president really does seem to believe this because this is not the first time he said something like this. he, i think needs to understand how a lot of his rhetoric actually is what makes people feel that he doesn't really, they really can't relate to them, relate to him the way he talks about a lot of conservatives is not always in a way that seems like he is trying to bring them into the fold. look, there are some really fundamental differences in philosophy and ideology that are going to naturally make conservatives not like president obama. jon: sure. >> regardless what's happening in the media. jon: right. and compromise is the key to getting anything do

judith miller is pulitzer prize-winning investigative reporter, author and fox news contributor. kirsten powers, columnist for "usa today" and fox news contributor. he has three years left in office, kirsten. is the legacy slipping away? >> i think the point of this article while the economy does look like it is finally turning around the president is at a point where it is probably not going to turn around enough by the time that he leaves. so you know, it is turning around but i think most americans would probably say right now they don't feel that. they don't really feel the economy is doing that well. by the time people start feeling it and there starts being great numbers versus solid numbers coming out, obama will be out of office. there isn't enough time probably for the economy to rebound at the levels you would have seen under his predecessors. jon: i wonder about the thing he will talk about any minute now, judy, the extension of unemployment benefits. 99 weeks people have been able to collect unemployment benefits for. it is kind of one of the hallmarks of his administ

judith miller a pulitzer prize-winning reporter and fox news contributor and. for media buzz and fox news contributor as well. you saw the piece in your former employer "the new york times" which the author says mr. obama was surprised at the uproar that ensued over the snowden revelations. why would a president be surprised at those kind of reports? >> would you rather be surprised, jon, than irritated which is clear what he was today. it is interesting to me the president singled out to be three parties to be particularly irritated that. one was edward snowden, two was china and three was russia and the press of our first characterization of a program that was almost entirely secret before edward snowden announced it to the world before his leaking. of course he is unhappy. but, mr. president, better get used to it. there will be a lot more of this. jon: the piece from gregory lawrence, said surprised at uproar particularly so that many americans did not trust him and goes on from there. >> it is shocking that he is actually surprised because in 2007, didn't