>> yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> jimmy: you're a judy blume fan? >> a huge judy blume fan. in the library. >> jimmy: that's great advice. >> i see these cover of books with these little white girls on the front. well, i don't think that pertains to me, you know. so i started reading like -- and the book program, where you had to read four books to get a free pizza. and so i guess that's why saying i look like a ninja turtle for so long because i really do like pizza. i used to run through judy blume and beverly clearly books all the time. and what's so interesting about judy blume books is the stories. even though those were rooted in the experience of little white girls, they were anybody's experience because she had a lot of things socially redeeming value in the books. blubber was about obesity. are you there, god, it's me margaret was about spirituality. i feel like i got a lot of my early storytelling ability from reading those books. >> jimmy: wow. have you passed those books along to your daughters? >> what's interesting, i guess i talk about judy blume a lot, and i'

when judy blume was doing her first publishing and became a major lightning rod for this because people never experienced books dressed to kids about problems like this in the schools and they responded to they were hundred, more than 1000 challenges in those years which is how it got started as a response to that so i went from that organization to the booksellers foundation for free expression which was engaged in supporting booksellers under attack as part of the conservative ways, and effort to create penalties for the sale of obscene materials, kevin mckinnon pushing an idea that retailers, producers and retailers of material with sexual contentd should be held liable for the publications it led to the court case that struck down the law so as they tailed off, suddenly we were basing 9/11 so i've been around a long time. >> you've chased a lot of controversies which is one thing a lot of people could benefit from knowing the history free speech and the first amendment has been, i think it could barely say being challenged almost from the get go. the 1790s and i think world war i we

there was a period when judy blume was doing her first publishing and she became a major lightning rod for this. because people hadn't ever experienced books addressed to kids about problems like sex in the schools. and they responded. there is more than the thousand challenges in those years which is how it got started as a response to that. and so i went from that organization that coalition to the booksellers foundation for free expression. which was also engaged in supporting booksellers who had been under attack as part of this conservative wave there was an effort to create federal tea penalties for the sale of obscene materials. catherine mckinnon was pushing an idea that retailers, producers and retailers of materials with sexual content should be held civilly liable for those publications and that led to a big court case that struck down the law. and so is those things tailed off suddenly we were facing 911. andd threats to reader privacy. so i've been around a lot of times. >> you have chased a lot of controversies which is one thing i think a lot of people could benefit from