do you know what, remember that scene where judy garland just, like, says she hopes she can get backyou got to do this is a ruby slipper play right back to kansas. you got to have some substance before you say listen, the old cliffs natural is worth a lot more. >> right. >> i mean, maybe cliffs naturals should buy a beer company because those companies are on fire. it's, like, cliffs natural, you know, brewed on the shores of iron filings in minnesota! >> cold filtered. we mentioned abercrombie & fitch, arthur martinez becoming nonexecutive chairman over mike jeffries who is still on the wall of shame. >> jeffries, good that they separated those. i mean, abercrombie did report a good quarter, but if you completely -- guide down, guide down, guide down, guide down, you will eventually beat your quarter although even jcpenney has found that a hard way to do things. they need to separate if only because they had really bad gave nance. are you allowed to say someone didn't do that job of a company? >> i remember having covered him in chicago in the '90s, it was not a -- not a hall of fam