what what do you think it was but judy heumann who has the person at the fresh fund of so many of these fights. >> guest: i really am thankful to my parents because in their own way, they didn't know what advocacy was but a they learned about it. my mother with the support of my father, would step by step try to address what was happening. so, i think that is definitely part of it. other friends of mine, we would do the camp experience and others, talking, but i thing something within me -- i always was born in philadelphia but i grew up in brooklyn, and i do actually talk about if i wasn't born in brooklyn i probably wouldn't be the person i am today. i really do believe if you can make it in new york, you can make it anywhere, and i think i learned really early on that i had to say something. when things were going on i felt were wrong, i had to say something. i had to try to do something. and i never have been a person who want to do things by myself. i've always wanted to work with other people. and so for me it's -- we each play a different role. i think i'm a reasonably good strat

heumann? judy: , judy. when i left government i was a fellow at the ford foundation. and darren walker said would you like to be a senior fellow and you can do anything you would like to do for a year? and so catherine and i had just started an organization and i decided, talking with friends, we were going to a paper on the representation of disabled people in media. its roadmap to inclusion, changing the boys, changing the face of this ability in media. the reason we were interested in doing this paper, was because, there such an absence of positive reflections of disabled individuals. so, have any of you have children or nieces and nephews and read books to them? how many of you have ever read a book that included a positive image of a disabled child or adult? ok. not most of you. how many of those children have a nonwhite? have and if you have seen movies documentaries, others that reflect disability in a negative way as objects of pity or horror? the issue of story is very important. i have been doing something called the human perspective. we have done a hundred