judy lindsay. i should say her name. she was in new york city. she went to the theater, she read everything. she read every -- and she was also trying her hand at playwrighting, after a career in journalism, working at columbia university, and cpj. and she was actually writing a play about mary lincoln. and i never got to talk to her about it because she died unexpected ly about four years ago. it was really creepy that when this came up, i felt obligated to explore. that was -- it did make me pause and think, well what was she so taken with? she herself experienced the death of her first husband, untimely death of her first husband, at the age of 36, and then the untimely death of her second husband at the age of -- when he was 62. she was married to her first husband one year longer than her second husband. i thought maybe it was the grief that she went through that was something she was interested in. although i do not know, judy. i do not know. but she was very taken with mary todd lincoln. and then, you know, you do an audition and you get i