there are names out there, john taylor is among them, judy shelton, who is known as a gold bug aroundonetary policy circles, her name is out there as governor. kevin worsh is being named. >> which are hawkish names, considering that trump wants to fuel infrastructure spending and deficit spending. what he really wants is low rates. >> it's hard to find a president whoever wanted a higher interest rates, you had a president campaigning saying, you know what? the fed rates are too low, they're being kept low for political reasons. now the fed is saying, okay, here's what we'll do. here's higher rates f you're going to spend more -- as wilfred points out, it's the lack of a growth increase. that may happen. they may come around and say all this stuff will boost growth, we'll get higher growth, higher rates together. this is a reminder that we're not sure how much of what will happen, and how much of what will happen will ever really boost growth. >> coming into this, everyone expected the 25 basis hike. we were wondering if it was buy the rumor sell the fact type thing. are you surprised