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independent institute senior fellow and author of good as gold, how to unleash the power of sound money, judy sheltont's talk about this , because she deserves that. >> [applause] charles: so let's talk about this because there was a huge battle in our country. some were silver, some were metal and then there was gold but ironically the democrats weren't crazy about silver per se, but then the speech, right? nobody ever heard of this dude and he gives a speech at the dnc and people go crazy, he becomes a nominee and now there's a battle. there's a battle, and talk about the fact that gold, mckinley won so gold won and how critical it was in the rise of the american century. >> well, as it turns out, william mckinley won very definitively and let me just say it's such an honor to be on your programmed to. i think that it's ingenius to make these compares, because the parallels between president trump ushering in a new golden age and all of the achievements of america during the era of mckinley are just striking, and from a monetary point of view, what's important is that mckinley embraced sound money

i mean, we had judy shelton on earlier said he probably regrets making so much of president trump's tarifflast meeting putting out there maybe fed needs to watch tariffs this is going to hurt the economy do you think, that had something to do with him thinking let me step back watch how things play out before i start making these expectations? >> well, i think what happened to the last meeting was a little bit of a reset of expectations. because if you look when they first cut interest rates in september, i think markets anticipated this was going to be a long cutting cycle maybe you wouldn't move every meeting maybe every other meeting, but you would be gradually you know lowering interest rates down into the mid 3s where most officials think neutral rate is, and so december was really about sort of reclaiming optionality, because maybe you are not going to do that maybe the economy is he stronger than you thought maybe interest rates aren't as restrictives as you thought maybe you are going to the prices going up, temporarily because of tariff increases i think december was really about