c-span: who's jules stein? >> guest: jules stein started the music corporation of america, a band-booking agency, in chicago in 1924, in al capone's chicago. and it was from that company that, eventually, wasserman was launched. c-span: because this is a political network, the first thing i want to connect is that katrina vanden heuvel is his granddaughter. >> guest: is jules stein's granddaughter, yes. c-span: and he's with "the nation," and the editor and all that. >> guest: right. c-span: was jules stein -- was a republican. >> guest: a right-wing republican. c-span: well, explain all that connection in the -- and how does -- you know, where does the vanden heuvel come in in all this? >> guest: well, jules had two daughters, jean and susan. and jean is the mother of -- jean stein is the mother of katrina. and jean was always -- her politics were always different than her father's, and it was a source of great friction between then. and -- i mean, jules was very proud of her. she was a very accomplished perso

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