with me this hour, julia ainsley, who covers national security and the justice department for nbc news. pete dominick, a comedian and the host of stand up on sirius xm insight, beth fouhy, lee gallagher, nelly mistal, editor at "above the law." let me star with you, if i could julia. the policy as it's being described is remain in mexico. what's your read of where things stand when it comes to this fundamental change to asylum policy? >> yeah, david win spent a lot of yesterday afternoon speaking to u.s. officials, some of whom were involved in these negotiations. right now, it looks like it's just a difference of semantics. the u.s. said that they still needed to work out a lot of the operational and logistical details. they even wouldn't go so far as to say that these asylum seekers would definitely have to wait until a judge weighs in on their decision. it wasn't quite clear how far along in the adjudication process they would need to be before they entered mexico. and they said mexico wants a lot in return, that the u.s. hasn't promised them yet, at least not in explicit detail. me

if they don't give him the money he wants, i don't rule it out. >> julia ainsley, do you think kerstinielsen is going to keep her job for the next month? >> she's definitely not keeping it in the long term. i've heard it's a matter of when, not if. but it's a matter of what distracts the president at the moment. that's where i'm going to stay on the safe part of that. >> she's gone. she's gone. it's just timing. he hasn't figured out who he wants. >> okay. we answered that question. julia, thanks for making time on this thanksgiving weekend. >>> coming up -- you think the monday after your holiday weekend is going to be tough? not compared to george papadopoulos. one of the, shall we say, more interesting characters in the russia investigation. he is set to show up to prison tomorrow after a last-minute plea deal to stay free got a resounding no from a judge. that's next on "kasie dc." this isn't just any moving day. this is moving day with the best in-home wifi experience and millions of wifi hotspots to help you stay connected. and this is moving day with reliable service appointment

joining us, julia ainsley who has been following this story. julia, what have the soldiers been doing there? is there any indication that they could -- this caravan could change course an end up in arizona. >> they say they're prepared for that scenario. this used to be an empty dirt field until late october when the president rushed those 5800 troops down to the border as he started to drum up fears about this caravan that was approaching the united states. a few of those have started coming into california now. we're expect dodd see as many as 3500 to 4,000 but in arizona they're not seeing those caravans. yesterday i was able to go down to nogales where engineers are deployed a few days at a time where they hang wire and they're building barricades they are container ships stacked on top of each other. they would put these in cargo lanes in the event there was an invision of immigrants. that would be a very unlikely scenario, chris, and we have about 30 of those barricades sitting in storage down at the border. meanwhile, these soldiers are c

joining me, julia ainsley, and kevin baron. julia, let's talk about the survivance.eporting on the idea there are actually, what are these, undercover people inside the caravan? are they people there who are being paid? >> we understand there are people already there being paid to give information to dhs. from what i understand, it's not that they're cia or anyone from our intelligence community who has gone undercover as a migrant. these are migrants who are now being paid to get that information. the other thing is they're able to get into the what's app groups. this is how a lot of my grants were able to organize and say el salvador or honduras before they left. that's how they were able to predict weeks ago they were going up to the california border where they are now. it is a little funny when you think about the allocation of resources. i spoke to some former intelligence officials who said it's not that this is illegal. these aren't u.s. citizens so you can monitor their allocations. when you think about the major threats, why would they spend the aloe case t

president but who might actually be looking for more of those documents that could be problematic. >> julia ainsley and natasha bertrand, thank you both very much. >>> a move that could endanger the investigation, congresswoman maxine waters on the firing of jeff sessions and the big democratic win last night. >>> democrats won the house last night for the first time in eight years and the new majority will take effect in january which means that a large number of committees like judiciary, intelligence, ways and means, all of which have the power to subpoena trump's tax returns will be chaired by democrats in 2019. the question becomes do the democrats have a unified strategy for what to do with all that power. joining me now, congresswoman maxine waters, slated to become the chair of the house financial services committee. first question to you is, you have been a very vocal critic of jeff sessions, extremely vocal, said he should resign, don't like what he's done at the justice department, your reaction to his firing today? >> well, you know, this action by the president of the united states to

joining me from tucson, arizona, julia ainsley who were just with those u.s. ned at the border. julia, what's going on? why are there a thousand troops down there when the caravan is going to tijuana and when they're not storming the border but they're standing in line? >> that's the question that led me down here. i'm inside tucson, arizona. behind me you see rows and rows of tents to set up for troops to spend the night out here. in late october this was an empty dirt field. you can see how quick this deployment was. yesterday i had the opportunity to speak to these solders who are going down to nogales to see the work they're doing. they're hanging concertina wires and building barricades, two container shipments on top of each other then they roll in the wire and they are building these, most of them are just sitting in a warehouse waiting till the day where cbp -- customs and border protection -- may call them to block these border crossings inn case an invasion became so huge that immigrants started strolling through the cargo lanes by foot. that seems un

julia ainsley has been all over this story. nbc chief white house correspondent hallie jackson joins me. hans, you saw what happened there yesterday. what exactly went down? and do we think more of it is coming? >> this is the san vsidro border. what happened yesterday is they took these barricades and put them across. what they did was try to prevent foot traffic from using these car lanes to breach the border. as it is right now, the border is open. yesterday started off with a march towards the border. a couple of hundred of those migrants living inside the shoulder tried to cross over a bridge. they were stopped by federal riot police from the mexican government. you did see some skirmishes. that's when they went down to that dry riverbed, which did have some water coming through it. the strempench was overpowering like raw human sewage. they tried to get closer. what they wanted to do was surrender. they wanted to file their asylum claims in person. they didn't get there. at some point there was tear gas fired. then the mi

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ask for asylum. 1,500 of those troops are in arizona where nbc news national security reporter julia ainsley reports they will likely stay through thanksgiving. ten american soldiers dangled their legs spitting out shells and tobacco juice, waiting for a forklift to arrive. that's all a political stunt by the president. but behind the theatrics, there's some serious policy moves. president trump is trying to restrict asylum claims. he's trying to get ronald vitiello confirmed, he help sd oversee the separation of migrant children from their families. here to talk about all those immigration changes, faiz shakir. let's start with the new nominee to head i.c.e., the aclu is opposed. he has years and years of experience in the agency. what's your opposition? >> he was just on fox news a couple days ago talking about the huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the so-called migrant caravan. he said game on. it reveals his mind-set, a giddiness of an aggressor who wants to deploy forces and beat up on people who he sees as subhuman, others. and that has been his mentality when he was the head of

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joining us now national security reporter for nbc news julia ainsley. a, you've been reporting on this story closely all weekend. deal or no deal, is this a policy or is it a policy they are still discussing and negotiating? >> i think it's the latter. people i've talked to who are involved in these negotiations say that mexico wants quite a bit in return. this really isn't something that the u.s. or president trump can unilaterally decide in a tweet, this is a humongous burden for mexico if they're talking about housing and finding the resources for thousands of migrants. it inevitably built up in a bottleneck on the u.s. border because it can take two years in some cases to get through the asylum process. some of the things that mexico wants in are your honor is for the united states to put into explicit terms what they're going to do to try to improve the economic situation in these countries that's driving these migration in the first place. these are things that the trump administration talked about in its very early days, then secretary of homeland

. >> my colleague, julia ainsley visited the border and wrote about what she saw there, quote, wearingth badges from deployments in syria, afghanistan and iraq, ten american soldiers dangled their legs off a concrete ledge, spitting out sunflower shells and tobacco juice as they waited the better part of a thursday morning wait for example a forklift to arrive. president trump is scheduled to head to his florida club to spend time with his friends and family there. today marks his 667th day in office and while he's visited his own properties, some 210 times, he has yet to go to a combat zone. my panel back with me. philip, let me start with you. the president fielding questions on the south lawn of the white house saying they'll be there as long as necessary. therein lies the rub and the definition of that is elusive, shall we say. >> it is important to say that where most of the troops are deployed on the central and the people are headed to the west coast and they're not stopping any of these invasions as donald trump likes to call it. so, yes, it's pretty obvious to everyone because

. >> julia ainsley, some of the decisions this president makes when he is under pressure are ones that can get him into further real jeopardy. >> that's exactly right. people i have been talking to today are worried about the next step he might take to get them in further jeopardy is to fire kirstjen nielsen from dhs. we saw reports leaking out overnight, it's not a matter of if, it's just when she leaves. and a lot of people have said, it might not be she's been our best dhs secretary ever, but that this will just put trump in a position where he loses the person who he had there to handle the problem that he made such a big deal over the campaign. so if this caravan was something we had to put 15,000 troops on the board are for to form that human wall he wanted, if that was such a big deal, why would he then fire the person in charge of that effort? so it seems like dana is saying, he's doubling down on his strategies and actually shutting out the advice from some of the people who may want to say, let's learn from the midterms and come from a strategy that can somehow consolidate or

we need to replace that. >> nbc news' julia ainsley us now from guantanamo bay, cuba.ly the history of kw guantanamo bay. >> i had a lot of time over these past few days here in guantanamo. they have an unfunded mandate. they've been asking congress for $89 million over the past five years. it hasn't come through. largely because a lot of members of congress don't want to look as though they're improving an expansion of guantanamo. as he explained, it's upkeep. he went through a lot of the details of some of these places. some of which we weren't able to see because they're secret. they describe having to sand down concrete in order to close doors. they have to have people put on waders to go into the leechfield because it is backing up. these are camps no longer needed anymore. but now they don't need temporary structures. they need more permanent structures because right now they've been prepared to stay here for the next 25 years. >> what the commander said to you about the prospect of new inmates is intriguing. did he fill you in in your conversations on any conver