joining us now is julia ainsley. she's one of the reporters who broke the story. julia, this is extraordinary reporting. as i read it, it's based on government reports of what's going on in this facility. >> and that's key, lawrence, because it's not that this is coming from their individual lawyers and that the government has not been aware of this behavior. some of these interviews date back to april. they go from mid-april to mid-june, and these are routine interviews. when a child is taken out of border patrol custody and placed in the hands of health and human services, they're assigned a case worker, and the first thing that person does is sit down with the child and talk about everything they've been through and often times they describe what they went through in border patrol custody. so jacob and i went through dozens of these and found dozens that are new to us and you and i tonight, but they are not new to the government, and i think that's really key, that they've known about this for some time, particularly the sexual assault allegation. we went to dhs

and here with me now, julia ainsley and joining us from texas gabe guttierez. thanks to you both for being here. julia, i have to start with you and this new reporting. it is tough to read. it is tough to talk about. what is the latest that you found? >> it is tough. but it is important not to get numb to it. first i'll tell you how it is different. there are reports in he will pats so he awill -- el paso and rio ground about the bad conditions. cbp blamed a lot on overcrowding. what we've learned about what happened in yuma goes beyond overcrowding with that sexual assault allegation, that was given as a firsthand account from a child to a government official over a month ago. and we are just now learning about this. so the question is, how did this happen and how have we not learned about the accountability about who was responsible for incidents like these. >> and i guess the question is, is there an outrage factor. marc short was asked about it. let's listen. >> what is the white house's response to allegations that 15-year-old girl was sexually assaulted? >

now, the reporters on this story are jacob soboroff and julia ainsley. we're going to be speaking with jacob in just a moment. but the origin of this story, i have to tell you, started with a tip that we received here on this show, a tip about the border that led to this reporting that is allowing us to break this story tonight. the tip that we got was specifically about this border station. this is the u.s. border patrol station in yuma, arizona. now, you have not previously heard anything about this particular border station in all of the recent reporting on the bad conditions and facilities run near the border by the trump administration. i mean, the ones that you have heard about, we can put them on a map. the first homeland security inspector general report that we got in may was about terrible conditions in and around el paso. that led to a bunch of follow-up reporting including some especially dire reports about a facility just outside el paso in clint, texas. last week then we got another homeland security inspector general report about trump adm

reporters on the story were julia ainsley and jacob so soboroff. based on what they had been told by kids held by the trump administration at the border station in yuma. those incident reports included an allegation of sexual assault against a feign-year-old girl bia uniformed officer as retaliation with kid who is requested clean water and food. they had their bedding taken away as retaliation. we had recounts from lawyers at the facilities like that one. children held at the facilities rarely spoke to the media out of fear they might be targeted or retaliated against. tonight a guatemalan boy was held in the facility for 11 days. kids are not supposed to be held for more than 72 hours. he was held for 11 days. his name is abner and he agreed to describe what he went through at the border facility. we obscured his face to help him protect his identity. abner describes a cell that was so proud crowded he was forced to sleep standing up. this is the first time this has been broadcast. >>. >> they stayed propped against the wall and stay the whole ni

. >> i want to start by bringing in nbc correspondent julia ainsley, who has reported extensively on these facilities. also with me, elliott williams, former deputy assistant attorney general at the department of justice under president obama. he's also former assistant director to immigration and customs enforcement. julia, let's start with you. we continue on a daily basis, thanks to you and your colleagues, reporting about these facilities at the border. we are learning more and more about the conditions inside, but it stands in sharp contrast to what the administration has been saying about what's going on. are we between the reporting we're getting, the video that joaquin castro got on his camera, the congressional delegation, are we getting a clearer picture of what is actually going on? >> yes, we are really getting a clearer picture. and what we're getting a picture of is the fact it isn't limited to one facility. it is widespread across the border. we just moved some news, ali, there is another inspector general report, this time from rio grande valley. we talked yesterday a

joining me now nbc correspondent julia ainsley who covers the justice department and homeland security department. joulia, there are some references including to the third-party country being party to the agreement. earlier which and i talked, you talked about canada and how it's different when migrants or asylum seekers come to canada. can you explain what we need to know about this? >> that's right. that's because we have an agreement with canada. and canada has been deemed by the u.s. by canada by the u.n. to be a safe third-party country. it's where people can go, apply for asylum and they believe they will get due process and adjudication of their claim. that same determination that same agreement has not been made with mexico or any of these other countries that these immigrants might pass through. for example, the guatemalan courts just ruled over the weekend that they cannot be a safe third-party country which would nullify the agreement the trump administration was working on with guatemala. mexico would not agree to that to be that safe third party country for them. they're s

julia ainsley, how would this work? would stop asylum as we know it in the united states at the southern border. central americans are coming through mexico at our southern border, claiming asylum because they have a fear of persecution in their own countries and can't trust the governments in order to go to them and tell them when they're being persecuted or coming under this violence. this would effectively say any country you go through on your route to the united states, if you are feasibly able to apply for asylum, you should apply there. mexico, guatemala, countries we've never deemed safe third-party countries because you have to have an agreement with that country and you have to be able to feasibly see how that country could protect these asylum seekers. >> isn't this what they demanded of mexico? >> they did, and mexico did not agree to it. they demanded the same thing of guatemala. the guatemalan court just put that on hold. what do you see the next day? interim final rule, essentially the government saying w

i'm joined by nbc's julia ainsley who's been following the story from the beginning. what did the reports say about living conditions for migrants being detained at this station. >> craig, this report was done by investigators with the dhs internal watchdog, the inspector general and they dropped in on several border stations in the el paso sector on may 7th. that's the same sector that we heard those horrific stories coming out of last week. but this now dates those conditions back months so it shows us how long this has been going on and how long the department of homeland security and officials in washington had been made aware of those conditions. some of the things they detail are 756 immigrants sharing four showers. there was a cell that was meant for 35 that they put 155 single adult men inside without enough room to lie down to sleep. half of the immigrants who are outside, there were children also outside, did not have mats to sleep on. and were wearing the same clothes they had been for weeks because no one was provided with a fresh change of clothing. and w

julia ainsley, nbc news national justice and national security reporter. frank figliuzzi, former fbi director for counterterrorism who worked for robert mueller during his career in law enforcement. we welcome you both. frank, i would like to start with you. has time given you any more, any further perspective on what our friends, the historians, will take on, the degree to which this attorney general gave the man who hired him, the president, the air cover he needed during those first crucial days before we had seen the report? >> brian, as the calendar collection by it becomes more and more apparent that this attorney general is essentially aiding and abetting concealment of what the special counsel actually found. and he is in conspiracy with this white house to disguise the findings of the special counsel. we have a special counsel who played by the rules because that's what we expect special counsels to do. and we have an attorney general who pulled those rules like a rug out from under bob mueller. it felt like a sucker punch to the american people.

i've been reporting that story out with my colleague nbc correspondent julia ainsley who covers the departmentstice and the department of homeland security and also joining us is christina sinsoon, the founder of jolt, a texas-based civil rights organization. julia, start with you, starting on this asylum process. one source told me it was the administration's -- what they want to do is a wholesale reimagining asylum system. >> you and i have been chasing this overnight and into this morning. it sounded too bold to be true. of course this administration, we've learned our lesson about this. this would be a wholesale reimagining. any immigrant who comes to the united states and crosses through another country where they could have applied for asylum, if they did not apply there, they're not eligible in the united states. that's largely targeting central americans who come through mexico. the way we thought this would work is that the u.s. would have to come to an agreement with mexico, which is a safe third party country, deemed safe enough to take in asylum seekers to properly process anyone w

let's bring in julia ainsley who has this exclusive reporting.hrough what the document is. back in may this is an inspector general report. what exactly was this report, what did it find, who did it go to? >> that's a great question. a lot of inspector general reports do become public. this was internal. it was put together by inspectors who did drop-ins to several border stations in the el paso sector. one they found in particular when they went to they said had terrible conditions, they found that 756 migrants, steve, had to use four showers. they found children who were being processed in the parking lot and having to wait outside, not even having matts to sleep on. people who didn't have clean changes of clothes. the majority of immigrants there had to be in soiled clothes for days or even weeks. if some of those conditions sound familiar, it's because they are a lot like what we heard from lawyers who went to a facility in the same sector just a couple weeks ago. but when that happened, the dhs secretary said those reports are unsubstantiate

jul julia ainsley covers the department of immigration for us. gut check for you here.an we heard from senator booker, will it make a meaningful change on the ground based on what you've seen in your reporting? >> well, i mean, he's right in that right now we are really focused on detention because we've seen reports of some terrible situations happening for children as well as all immigrants in these border patrol stations along the border. but i thinks had plan focuses very heavily on detention and it leaves out some of the things that those detention centers actually do. for example, children are vetted to go to sponsors, to go to relatives, to make sure they end up in a safe home by the government, by health and human services. if you place that in the hands of a nonprofit, i'm not sure that that situation could be regulated. and there have been cases in the past where children have been sent off to places where they've had to do manual labor and they have not been put in a caring and loving home. and so you could run into that again. also, let's think about the com

julia ainsley, thank you as well.ling puts latino approval for trump hovering around 40%. ahead of last month's democratic debate in miami, "morning joe" producer daniella put together a panel of latino republicans to find out what is driving their support for the president. >> vice president mike pence kicked offer the first latino coalition of donald trump's 2020 preside presidential campaign. we sat down with a diverse group of any len yams who either voted for trump in 2016 or intend to vote for him in 2020. gion identifies as republican and work in the financial industry. carlos, a native of puerto rico, libertarian and business owner. linda, identifies as ibd. she is a former sanders supporter. eileen, originally from colombia, she is a republican and works in education. and a republican lawyer born in cuba and raised in miami. and tony born to immigrant parents. we started with immigration. what do we think? >> unfortunately that happens when there is no barrier or any type of i guess protection that -- they wo

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. >> joining me to discuss this nbc news correspondent julia ainsley. julia, thanks for being here. and you were able to confirm this reporting. so what are you expecting to happen on sunday? and we should point out and give this broader context that the president threatened this a couple of weeks ago. then pulled back on the threat. now it seems like it is poise today move forward. >> now it seems like it is poised to move forward. what we can expect is early morning dawn hours on sunday for some families, immigrant families to get knocks on the door from the immigration agents. they would be arrested. then they are detained here in the united states until the proper paperwork can get processed and then they are sent back. that sounds like a smooth system. it's not smooth at all. a lot of these families could be torn apart if they have u.s. citizen children. also it's not clear that we have the space for them. we talked about this when the operations were called off a couple of weeks ago. it's not clear there is much more space for these immigrants now. where do they hold them? "th

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every report that julia ainsley and i reviewed had children staying in the facility longer than 72 hours. it goes to these horrible allegations, sexual assault and retaliations by border patrol officers specifically saying they wanted to taste lisay that tasted like chlorine. one young man wore soiled pants for one day. another young man says he was called a homophobic slur. this suggests a much managerial problem within the board of control. you don't have sexual assault because of over crowding. we are talking about serious allegations of abuse that frankly the department homeland security owes the american public and most definitely these young children answer them. >> one of the problems with the responses that we got from border protection was that they treat their client with dignity. we already know about that report about that facebook page at least some group of people, up to 10,000 of them, there are implications of migrants and asylum seekers were not thought of dignity. >> what is dignity and respect is defined by border protection. is it making young children live in squalle

. >>> turning back here to the u.s., nbc news' julia ainsley and jacob soboroff.arming themselves against possible riots. migrants were, quote, stands on toilets because of the over crowding to gain breathing spaib space and make rooms. only four temporary showers at the facility with limited access to showers and clean clothing. detainees were wearing soiled clothing for days and weeks. this, as save the children, has been at the border, working for children who have been enduring similar conditions for weeks, sometimes months and the trauma of these children responding for the first time in their 100-year history, save the children is responding to a humanitarian crisis inside the u.s. as cynthia mcfadden saw on a recent visit with save the children board member jennifer garner. >> kids don't care if you've been in movies. >> no, they have no idea, nor do they care i can't speak spanish. >> though she's working on it. >> i get to see the beauty of kids in the worst circumstances. they've gone without baths, without food, without medical care and they're here, ha

julia ainsley is with us in new york for the first time.he's a correspondent for nbc news, and glenn kirschner is an msnbc legal analyst. the supreme court has cleared the way for the trump administration to use 2$2.5 billion in unspent military funds from the pentagon to build the border wall. the white house announced an asylum deal with guatemala. the agreement would restrict asylum applications by requiring my grants who pass through guatemala to apply for asylum there. if they failed to apply there, they would be denyied asylum hee in the united states. but this deal does not to address the mounting humanitarian crisis at the southern border. i'm holding this order that was handed down last night. about three pages in length. the president crowing about this, calling this a victory. help us understand what it means exactly in terms of the case you've been fighting. >> i think the most important thing, this is not a final order. this is a temporary block on an injunction that was already jishejis issued. every court that's looked at thi

let's bring in the co-author of this report, correspondent for nbc news julia ainsley.n how much access we have to the realities inside these facilities. these case managers, obviously, work for the government. how much can one really see? how much transparency is there? >> there's a lot of transparency once she got her hands on these doubts, mika. these are from testimony and accounts that caseworkers did with children after they'd left customs border protections custody and went to health and human services. they go through anything they may have encountered on their way to them. and a lot of children talked about the conditions in yuma, arizona. the thing is, you and me, we're finding out about this, but the government has had these reports from april. many of these span from mid-april to june. the question is why wasn't we notified about this, why wasn't more done. yes, we know there's an inspector general investigation into the sexual assault allegation which is horrifying as you just said but didn't answer questions like is that officer still there? is he still em

nbc julia ainsley sat down with someone who was held at one of these facilities.erview. remarkable bravery from this 17-year-old boy that you spoke to to come forward and tell his story. what did you learn? >> he was very brave. we had a great producer who worked with him and his father. it took time to talk to him. he went through a lot to get here. what we learned is first some things that corroborated what we heard from some of the lawmakers and other reports that he did not get a shower. it was very cold. they kept the lights on. he was crammed into a cell. he talked about retaliation from some agents. he talked about seeing a boy, 16 years old be punched in stomach. that's something we have taken to dhs. they say that will be referred for an investigation. they had to look out for the younger children because there was little space. for the first 48 hours he stood up. he would try to sleep on a pile of trash that the younger children could lie down. he shared his food with them. he said he was very hungry but he thought as an older boy he could deal with the

joining us as well, julia ainsley who has broken so many stories on this beat. the ground and how you assess this story of this young girl's terrible report. >> thank you, andrea. i think since we broke the initial story on the clint border patrol station and the treatment of kids there about ten days ago, clint has become a touchstone. so what was so powerful for us in hearing and seeing this video is that this is really the first time that we have had the chance to hear in a child's own words what that experience was like. so just very poignant to hear her talking about sleeping on the floor, you know, being cold. children crying for their parents wanting to be taken to their hospital. feeling sick. the girl told her attorney that the border patrol agents were not treating them well either. >> julia, we also of course had the invest by the congressional delegation to the texas border, reporting terrible conditions and also reacting to a report about really disparaging remarks on a private facebook group. >> that's right. on that facebook group, they did not ta

but not only there, it can be applied to the facilities that julia ainsley and i reported on earlier this week in the el paso sector. and frankly that phrase, a ticking time bomb, can be ascribed to the border patrol system that's been in this country for decades. it's never been worse than it is right now in the trump administration seeing more families coming here, particularly because of the meteri ining policies that are forcing people to cross illegal with, because they don't want to wait in one of the most dangerous countries in the world, mexico. but for years, we have known those detention facilities are designed for single adult men. and as you have people that have come to claim unaccompanied minors. with families in the trump administration, those facilities are not suitable for the people that are we're seeing cross our border largely asylum seekers. so you could call them a ticking time bomb over the course of the last year. frankly, they've been a ticking time bomb for decades, kasie. >> jacob, the white house must have had an advanced notice of this report, no? >> i do

say if there is any bright spot in all of this, just a couple months ago there were over 2300 -- julia ainsley reported this yesterday -- 2300 children in border protection in facilities just like this. as of yesterday there was only a couple of hundred and they've been moved to facilities that are operated by hhs in other areas, not just at the southwest border but across the country. it doesn't mean that the facilities are getting any better, it means that the children for now have been moved out in large part at lea, at le according to what julia has learned from cdp. >> i thought at one point a baby was being held in a place that was really cold, and actually their hands and feet had turned blue. obviously there are serious problems here. jake, if you're going to stay with me, i want to bring in bureau chief phil rucker, and founder of strategies, and skd in this ca knickerbocker. so phil, we see the administration citing these issues. is there any change here at all? >> no. rather there is a focus on the numbers, how many people are crossing the border, how many people are being detained.

joining me on that is julia ainsley. and, again, julia, we are still plagued by the same issue where certainly former immigration officials in the united states tell us it's just weird to telegraph these sorts of raids including with the detail this administration is giving out like the cities that they're going to take place in. >> yeah. it's funny because one of the reasons we heard that they were called off in june is because of leaks. but it's actually very easy to get this information because it started with the president saying this was coming. he said millions of immigrants would be deported. now we know that number is more like 2,000. but it seems that there is a reason why the president wants this to be in the national conversation and on a very public stage. that is because it plays to his base. if you actually take the number itself, ali. let's say 2,000 immigrants are deported on sunday, which is about as high of an estimate as we've heard. they'd be arrested and then not all of those would probably go through

we know from our reporting when we were talking to julia ainsley, their award winning reporting as well as many others. the facts are very clear from all of our interviews with pediatricians, with lawyers, advocates along the border. >> and from the ig, from the department of homeland security have detailed the conditions at the border. we do know that that those are facts. this was clearly a way to attack someone trump saw as a political enemy. we've seen time and time again when he attacks people of color, whether they're members of congress or other leaders or anybody who criticized him, he does it in a particular way using particular language, particularly phrasing. that is the reason we're here in day i don't know how many days we're into this still talking about this. >> into the third week. >> it could be the third. hard to keep track. >> the new poll as well, 51% of voters say overall that the president is a racist. 45% say he's not. and are these attacks an effective political strategy for him? whites say 46% yes, 50% no. african-americans 80% say yes, 11% say no. the divide is

. >> on thursday, nbc's julia ainsley, one of our great team of reporters including you reported children in border control custody describing these conditions, kids between the ages of 12 and 16 years old. >> i think it's important we read some of the testimony. this is of a 15-year-old girl who came to be with her mother who is already in the united states. she was deposed in june from the court documents. she was sitting in the room with all of these other people and the guard came and said who wants to take care of this little boy? he had a 2-year-old boy and the boy was sick, cough, runny nose, scabs on his lips. he was calving last night so i asked to see the doctor. they told me the doctor would come but he never came. the boy i'm taking of never speaks and likes me to hold him as much as possible. we live in a room about 10 feet by 10 feet. i sleep on the ground. i cannot sleep because it's so cold and my head hurts. yesterday some of the girls left so i was finally able to get into the bed. today a nurse got mad because a comb was missing. we asked to use a comb and it wasn't ret

this inspector general report, ali, directly contradict what kevin mcaleenan has been saying, but julia ainsley not only in the rio grande, but el paso sector. we're seeing it across the border. and that flaz ticking time bomb is one that's getting everybody's attention. you are housing migrants who are coming here for humanitarian relief in jail cells. and that is something that kevin mcaleenan frankly has said. it should not come as a surprise to anyone in this administration or law enforcement or in the political branch that things are as bad as they are. this administration has made things worse by exacerbating crisis cease on the border. by making people wait in mexico by telling people there are limited ports of entry, only allowing a limited number of people through every day. you have people crossing illegally, they're being detained as if they were criminals and all they want is relief. like the relief you were talking about, danny cevallos, asylum protection which is an international right. >> danny, kevin mcaleenan has called for. but there was a secret facebook page that somebody le

joining me now is nbc white house correspondent kristen welker, julia ainsley, jeff mason, and msnbc contributor barbara mcquaid. christen welker, let's talk about why we're expecting this news conference. the president pushing for a citizenship question on the census. and our first team led off this morning with a question, they say is pushing for a citizenship question as valuable for trump as getting one? look, one thing we know about president trump is that he always wants to be seen putting up a fight. sometimes that matters as much if not more than the actual result. right? break down the raw politics at play here. >> i think this is about raw politics. this is about the fight. the president wants to be seen as tough on this issue. it's his signature issue, it's deeply controversial as well. and of course he was blocked by the supreme court, which effectively said you haven't provided a good enough explanation for why you feel you need to add this citizenship question. this is something that energizes president trump's base and so even if he proposes this executive order, even

but of course cal the focus since then has shifted to this facility in clint that julia ainsley has been that we've now seen some candidates start to visit as well. >> we're really shifting the focus to the border itself. that facility as you said in west texas in clint has been the focus of so much attention, so too just across the border in the city of juarez, mexico because of new policies put in place by the trump administration we've seen migrants get returned to mexico before they can apply for asylum. it's putting serious stress on the system. beto of rurk visited that center in juarez on saturday with this to say. >> there are literally thousands of people right now in juarez who have been turned back from the international bridge as they sought to seek asylum in this country trying to follow our own laws, thousands more in remain in place program. mexico, for those families, who've arrived penniless without a friend or a connection or a network to join, are subject to those who prey on human misery right here in our binational community of juarez and el paso, texas. >> what he's

we have nbc news correspondent julia ainsley, and the executive director of the nyclu, donna liebermanat can you tell me about the i.c.e. rauids that did take plae yesterday? >> it was a handful. even though we don't have an exact number, it's hard to square with what the president said, many many were rounded up. it seems like it was a normal day for i.c.e., if you think back last year, an average day would have been about 430 arrests by i.c.e., and then all the way back to 2012, the highest year on record for deportations under president obama, they averaged over 1,000 arrests per day. there's nothing about sunday that indicates that i.c.e. arrested more immigrants than usual. i don't think they were anywhere near their 1,000 number. some of the reasons for that, they say that immigrants were prepared and so they decided to draw down the numbers, the targeted goals, and it just seems that this was something, you know, a lot of immigrants that were on their list of 2000, actually didn't qualify for. they could appeal. they could have another chance in front of a judge. their lawyers c

julia ainsley, we want to get to the asylum rule. what the president just said about i.c.e. raids, do we have the numbers on it? >> we don't, i don't know the president even have the exact number. there are people who still have an appeal. someone may get swept up in a rai raid that should not have been swept up in the first place. from people that i spoken to within the department of homeland security, they describe it as a handful. it is hard to square how a handful could be a large amount that apparently disappears over night that the president is talking about. we know these were largely down sk scale. obviously we know where all of this started was with the president's tweets. i don't know if it really is the media to blame in this case. >> let's talk about the new asylum rule. can we try to make sense for us of the new policy? >> if this goes into effect, this would trump all the other policies. they're sent back to mexico to wait for a u.s. judge to hear their case. this case they would not get that far. as soon as they came to the united states to claim asylum, the f

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communications director for president obama, jen pal mary, and my colleague nbc news correspondent julia ainsleyroke this story with our colleague jacob soboroff. we're running out of words for horrific, but take me through what you and jacob report. >> it is horrific. what we have here are dozens of accounts of these interviews with government agents who were then to pass that along to the department of homeland security. keep in mind we're just now finding out about this but the government has known about this for some time, about these reports. a lot of this we see some of the same patterns in texas, unsanitary conditions, no place to sleep, children sleeping outside on concrete floors. but there were two incidents that really stood out. one was retaliation. a 15-year-old boy reported there was a cell of boys who protested because water and food did not taste right and when they brought that up in retaliation they had them leave their cell and took away their soft mats, the only thing separating themselves and the floor sleeping overnight. so that was a retaliation. as a result that little bo

. >> julia ainsley covers the department of justice and the department of homeland security.nd chris is president of lutheran immigration and refugee service. she's also a former policy director to first lady michelle obama. chris, thank you so much. julia, let me start with you. what do we make of what we heard so far from the acting dhs secretary? >> so far not the fireworks we were expecting. there's a lot to take him to task on, but right now what they've been focused on is the report that this committee did, the democrats on oversight that went through specific cases of family separation that have happened recently. so far he hasn't wanted to comment on specific cases, but he says that separations are rare. that we're back to the policy that we would have seen before zero tolerance last summer that systematically separated children from parents because they crosseder illegally and it's what you would have seen under president obama. a lot of them are saying these children are being separated for something not fair, like a prior charge for marijuana possession and that th

. >> julia ainsley, you have been covering this story since the beginning, and you are just a top notchou so much. >> it's so good to join you, thank you. >>> president trump is lashing out at sweden's prime minister for refusing to free american rapper asap rocky who currently stands trial. he goes to trial on tuesday for allegedly helping beat someone with broken bottles in a june 30th brawl in stockholm. it's a charge that he denies. after speaking with the president, the prime minister's office responded, quote, the government is not allowed and will not attempt to influence the legal proceedings which are now ongoing. now in response, trump tweeted sweden has let our african-american community down. i watched the tapes, and he was being followed and harassed by troublemakers. sweden should focus on its real crime problem. joining me now gabby orr. gabby, it's interesting because we were all glued to our tv. mueller just testified. more democrats on the hill are now calling for impeachment and saying that those proceedings and the possibility thereof has reached a new level. now a f

joinings now the reporter behind the story, national security reporter for nbc news, julia ainsley.break this down for us. where's the conflict in this report from dhs? >> good question. so what this -- what happened on friday was that acting secretary kevin mcaleenan said that the reports were unsubstantiated that we're taking about last week. he said those were all through the eyes of lawyers who went into the facilities and basically overblew what they saw, but now this report shows as early as may 7th, dhs inspector general, their own watchdog sent off red flags internally that warned about some of the very same conditions that those lawyers found. same conditions that kevin mcaleenan said were unsubstantiated and the same sector said el paso sector of texas, they saw children wearing the same clothes. they saw that overcrowding you mentioned. they even said it got to the point that guards, cbp personnel, started to arm themselves in areas where they would not normally carry guns because they feared riots that's the point that this was at months ago. so it also begs the question