is there something going on in washington about the new face of terror or as julia ainslie testified, mueller said, there's no apparatus to get involved with white supremacy until there is violence. if we all fought the war on terror like that we might be dead. >> the reason there is no discussion like this is the oval office. republicans are having a tough enough time talking about white nationalism and white supremacy sims and the manifesto the shooter wrote in el paso. talking about expanding domestic terrorism laws, it's not difficult to see how that could be cast highlighting the president's rhetoric and separate from the fact the president can't talk about these things or struggles to talk about these things when he's not on a tell prompter. until we see the president make an approach like that, we won't see them entertain things. i wouldn't be surprise if we saw presidential candidates talk about this or talk about how this is one of the reasons we need to get the president out of office because this is something we can immediately talk about doing given a rise in white supremi

. >> joining me now nbc news julia ainslie. you have been recording on this, i know.k through what this new rule means sort of on the ground and where this goes from here. >> reporter: so, hallie, the flores agreement, as you pointed out, did affect how children could be held only 20 days. now the administration wants to get around that by saying, look, if we decide the facilities are good enough by our own standards, we should be able to hold them longer. even though they had to be state licensed, not i.c.e. licensed. this is the work-around. they want to be able to hold families really indefinitely. when will the children be released? only when their family has gone through the full court process. whether they're deported or granted asylum. only then would they be released. there is no definite deadline when you have to release a child from these facilities. i will say the limits on this, though, there aren't enough beds to hold all the families that are coming across. >> right. >> there are only about 3,000 beds for families. we have seen 400,000 family members cro

nbc news correspondent julia ainslie is with me, philip rucker also with me, former foreign disaster assistance chief under president obama, and reason magazine editor at large also with me. phil, the post reporting strong words here, president trump suggesting aides ignore the law. what more can you tell us about what the president's telling his aides and how the white house is responding to all of this? >> well, craig, it's a pretty extraordinary example of how obsessed, really, the president is with getting this border wall built if the was, as you noted, his signature campaign promise in 2016 and is he frankly afraid to go into the 2020 re-election campaign season without having demonstrable progress on building that wall. he has wanted to get 500 miles or so new wall built, they've only built about 60 miles of new wall. and that's not new border, that's replacing sort of existing border structures that were there. this is a very complicated process, as everybody well knows. there are environmental rules, they have to take land in some cases. and the law is protective of a lot of

julia ainslie broke the story for us. julia, where exactly is this money coming from?orter: it's a great question. we know there is a portion of fema money that is going toward expanding i.c.e. detention at the border. but then there is an even greater bucket, $155 million specifically from the disaster relief fund under fema, that's been rolled over for several years. a lot of this was first appropriated in 2006, 2007. but it is part of the pot of money fema would pull from now in a disaster. and that is the money they are taking to expand these temporary hearing locations at the border. this is because of a trump administration policy where they are turning migrants back to mexico. they would have them do them at the border rather than transporting them into the interior of the united states. this is what they sent, telling them they were reprogramming this money. it is not up to congress to decide whether they can do that. instead of having 664 million in their coffers going into this fiscal year, they will only have $447 million. and their way of discussing this is

julia ainslie joins me now with more. what do we know about this and what's the response been?is a startling response from the centers of disease control that sent 900 immigrants have had mumps. we have known there was an outbreak. i.c.e. officials said they have had to quarantine. from november of last year to august 22nd of this year, 900 cases. we're not just talking about the border. there are i.c.e. facilities around the country. one outbreak was in new york. they're all over the country. to think this is just a border problem would be wrong. this is something happening in a lot of places. one of the reasons, if you speak to people, first of all, a lot of immigrants are not vaccinated as we are in the united states as children. but also just how many people are in these facilities. now, they do all have beds in i.c.e. facilities. it's not like what we saw at border stations this summer. but also max capacity they have ever been. 52,000 in detention. >> and there's another controversy. the "new york times" has the story about a 24-year-old woman with a rare disease who got