and one of them was a woman named julia jerome. and julia jerome was the black ann landers of harlem. so here's white josephine skyler writing relationship advice column as a black woman with. that's active passing. [laughter] >> and pen name passing? >> pen name passing is another version of passing also engaged in by josephine skyler, and it is for some people a way of experiencing a kind of freedom about which they're a little uneasy. because when you're engaging in pen name passing, you don't necessarily have to answer face to face questions. so i think about it as my other name for pen name passing is wardrobe passing which is to say it's a way of trying on identities. trying them on, taking them off, trying on a different one -- >> in a very safe context. >> in a very safe context. but at a moment when playing around with being a whole bunch of different people across gender and race lines was actually not only tolerated, but encouraged. >> two of the male equivalents in my book that are interesting along those lines were, th