julia kiem, mark roderick, mark o'mara, thank you very much. >>> flags are half staff, people around the country and around the world have chosen to express sadness and show oneness with the people here. it is true in every state, to the best of our knowledge every county in eve state except baldwin county, alabama. president obama ordered flags lowered at federal offices nationwide. alabama's governor did the same for his state, and a county economicser in bamd win county, alabama said no. joining us with details on why he have said no and what he said about uproar over it, jean casarez. >> he said it doesn't meet criteria to lower the flag to half staff. saying that, the alabama governor asked automaker counties in the state to fom orders until noon yesterday. it is a moot issue. they can't retract and change the decision. one other county we know of in the country, comb county missouri made a decision not to lower to half staff, and they hitd the roof. there was feedback. they said we need to listen to constituents. we are going to lower the flag to half staff. >> this is not the

. >> joining me assistant secretary for homeland security, julia kiem and phil mudd, senior officialt the cia and fbi. the idea that isis is trying to smuggle operatives into america via europe from places like syria, realistically what can be done? as i said to senator feinstein, i was on lesbos months ago, you find ripped up passports, destroying old identities, hoping to adopt new identities. a lot are law abiding citizens that want to start a new life. how can you vet them? >> there's some, you can do working with the turks, jordanians, trying to prevent crossing borders, trying to improve passport protection, looking at immigrants. whether we look at orlando or immigrants in europe, until you stop the core of the organization in syria and iraq, you're not going to stop the cancer from spreading. we separate the conversation how to protect america from home groans from the conversation about whether to deploy american special forces, for example, in syria and iraq. you can't separate the two questions until you kill the head of the snake, the ideology will perpetuate itself. we h

. >> julia kiem we had on kept saying there's not an a-ha moment where everything is clear. do you think that's true? >> i think that's true. we get bits and pieces each day. i would say the biggest surprise we have is a phone call from the gun shop owner, once that's verified, back to red flags again. how many red flags have gone up on the individual. and or the response is inappropriate. >> are there going to be civil cases out of all this moving forward? >> we will try. obviously there's not much compensation that will be there from his family, i don't think there's anything you could look at the bar and say they didn't properly do, lawyers may find a way, even though they're my brethren. most importantly looking at the criminal side and what they learn to try to stop what's in the future. >> thank you very much. >>> just ahead, president obama here in orlando today meeting with family members, saying they pleaded with him to do more to stop the carnage. hear his words. and speak with two people that met with him today, incredibly emotional moment. and another survivor st

art rod rick is with us and julia kiem, assistant secretary for homeland security.one of the problems police were facing, limited number of entrances, tight quarters, pretty small room they had to operate in. >> spent ten years with marshal special operations, we practiced this all the time. this is the worst case scenario. 300 people packed into this. several different rooms that people can get into and the shooter can get into. >> and you don't know how many shooters there are, often eyewitness reports -- >> there were initial reports there was more than one shooter because of the amount of rounds going off. but this followed regular protocol up to a certain point responding to mass casualty situation with two officers engag engaged, then retreated into the rooms and crowd. then you don't want take downs of innocent people. >> julia, one of the people in the bathroom heard him talk on the phone saying that there were other people with him at locations, said like north, south, east, west, which again must have made the police unsure where to enter. >> right. they w

joining us, national security analyst, former assistant secretary of homeland security, julia kiem and long history of working in this state. learning more bits and pieces. >> and complicated. there's no eureka moment. he had many motivations, all of them hatred. we have to sort of recognize that. there's not a moment that says it was isis, it was isis, it was al qaeda, it was hezbollah. it was anti-gay attitude. i think that's why a lot of people like me that are national security are focusing on the means and methodology, on the gun issue because look, we're never going to be able to stop all bad ideologies from being bad, but what we can do is we can minimize damage they can do. the gun issue is part of counter terrorism. >> mark oh mira, if the wife knew there was an attack today, may be pulse nightclub, we have been there before, bought ammunition together before, what responsibility does she have to come forward? can she be charged? >> we talked about this today, misdemeanor or felony, i know about it, didn't do enough to stop it, we can go to the other side of the spectrum, cons

julia kiem, and mark najim. good to have you all on this evening. cedric, there were so many warning signs. you heard the neighbors a second ago, besides his violent past, the fbi had him on a watch list. should he have been on local law enforcement radar? >> well, he would not have been on their radar unless for some reason the fbi discovered information that would have been relevant for local law enforcement but considering the fact that he was american born and raised in this country, educated in this country, attempted to become a security guard, i understand at some point he was, so there was some level of some point of some training that he had received. how in depth they went to his background, don, i don't know. it is going to be interesting to know that, however. but it's not unusual sometimes that some people are missed for really a variety of reasons but i believe as the investigation continues, we're going to learn more and more how he was able to slip through the cracks, should that have been the case, or just had been working in the wa