julia sondra once upon a time was a very important journalist at some point, julian sans threw himself in with russian propaganda. and he took off from there. i think he's being treated terribly, i'm not, i'm not trying to fight you. believe julian sanchez, a rush, an agent to a russian asset of some kind. i think he was doing the really do on somewhere about 10 years ago, he switched investigating all sorts of stories that dealt with russia and only concentrating on those stories that would be satisfactory from a russian point of view. so he became a propagandist with absolutely denies that as, as you know and says that was it, and i would expect them to deny it. we, the leaks, i know people for we can lease, we have a lot of trouble with joy massage. they're not exactly as supporters. well, i did. that's certainly news to us because we have the interview. a lot of people from wiki, like your again, so i heard your against julian assad, are you for tony lincoln's position on rejecting a ceasefire in ukraine as per the china piece plan for? well, there's a war in europe. i think i thin