prison the initial charge carries a potential of 5 years that brings the total amount of time julian assad could spend behind bars if convicted to be 175 years this is some of what is in the indictment a federal grand jury returned an 18 count superseding indictment today charging julian piero son with offenses that relate to his songes allege rule in one of the largest compromises of classified information in the history of the united states the superseding indictment alleges that his songe was complicit with chelsea manning a former intelligence analyst in the us army in unlawfully obtaining a disclosing classified documents related to the national defense now one of the federal statutes used against him julian assange in this indictment is the 1917 espionage act which was passed during the 1st world war and is known for its rather vague language and this is the 1st time the espionage act of 1917 has been leveled against a journalist for publishing classified material now in addition to that the indictment basically alleges that that chelsea manning who leaked information was doing so in

julian a songe each of the new charges carries up to 10 years in prison the a total amount of time julian assad could spend behind bars if convicted to be 175 years this is some of what is the in the indictment a federal grand jury returned an 18 count superseding indictment today charging julian p. songe 47 the founder of wiki leaks with offenses that relate to his songes alleged role in one of the largest compromises of classified information in the history of the united states the superseding indictment alleges that a songe was complicit with chelsea manning a former intelligence analyst in the us army in unlawfully obtaining a disclosing classified documents related to the national defense if convicted he faces a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison on each count except for conspiracy to commit computer intrusion for which he faces a maximum penalty of 5 years in prison now one of the federal statutes used against him julian assange in this indictment is the 1917 espionage act which was passed during the 1st world war and is known for its rather vague language and this is the 1st time the

of violence and political persecution he's now joined a chorus of concern regarding the case of julian assad submitting a report to the u.k. government as well as to swedish american ecuadorian all. authorities claiming that assad has been subjected to that psychological torture now this comes shortly after julian assad's u.k. court hearing on his potential extradition to the united states was postponed due to his ill health lawyers stating he could hardly hold a functional conversation and missed them out so says this isn't just speculation he visited a songe in belmarsh high security prison where he's being held now spending several hours with him assessing him alongside medical professionals and his conclusions as to be said were quite scathing he slammed what he described as deliberate concerted and sustained abuse of raising concerns about assad's use and lack of access to lawyers and legal aid also slamming what he described as systemic systematic judicial persecution and arbitrary confinement referring of course the sergeant's time in the ecuadorian embassy in london now mr belton mad

now there are new federal criminal charges being filed against julian assad in addition to the initial charge of conspiracy to commit computer and true we now have seventeen new counts including the one thousand nine hundred seventeen aspi and. at this point there is a total of eighteen criminal charges against julian a songe each of the new charges carries up to ten years in prison the a total amount of time julian assad could spend behind bars if convicted to be one hundred seventy five years this is some of what is the in the indictment a federal grand jury returned an eighteen count superseding indictment today charging julian p. saunders forty seven the founder of wiki leaks with offenses that relate to a songes alleged role in one of the largest compromises of classified information in the history of the united states the superseding indictment alleges that a songe was complicit with chelsea manning a former intelligence analyst in the us army in unlawfully obtaining a disclosing classified documents related to the national defense if convicted he faces a maximum penalty of ten y

lavelle summoned media and even some politicians are giving julian assange new look and it's no wonder a case can be made the u.s. crusade against assad is a blueprint for criminalizing journalism what fate is in store for a songe journalism suffer the same. cross talking julian assange i'm joined by my guest under walker in london he is a new york observer columnist and in los angeles we crossed he is a comedian a frequent guest on the jimmy door show and the young turks as well as host of his own streaming show get your news on with ron crosstalk rules in effect that means he can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate i'll go to ron because you got up early as for this program and i much appreciate it i always do that i think . there's been a number of articles coming out one notable is by joe lauria at the consortium news that there are a number of politicians and even media outlets are taking a 2nd look after demonizing julian assange for so many years is this because they're beginning to wake up like you have and i have on our our platforms that there is this is an attack on freedom of speech or is this.

department of justice is insisting that julian assad is not a journalist however many of the voices that have stepped forward are saying that essentially that point doesn't really matter because what assad is accused of doing is what journalists do that would be publishing information making information available to the public now the new york times has made a statement on behalf of julian a songe and it's interesting that the new york times has themselves published classified information that was provided to them by leakers before here's what they said about the case. notably the new york times among many other news organizations have trained precisely the same kinds of documents from wiki leaks without authorization from the government it is not clear how this is legally different from publishing other classified information now it's important to note that among the voices expressing concern about the free speech implications of the charges against asunder some of those voices that have been quite critical and even somewhat hostile to join a songe in the past the mainstream us media ou

many decades perhaps even life behind bars so really there is no end in sight for the case of julian assad's that this has dragged on it's certainly drawn emotions and controversy from all sides ranging from authorities legal experts and human rights organizations to of course the wider journalist community yet fleshing out those remarks on the reaction to the special rapporteur from the un daniel hawkins thank you. a reminder the u.n. expert we heard from their kneels melcher was speaking on our tease going underground that full episodes ers tomorrow here on air saturday. moving on 3 more u.s. democratic hopefuls have joined the chorus of those calling for president from peach mint it comes after the retiring special counsel robert miller who said he could not exonerate mr trump of abstraction of justice claims but as our senior correspondent goes the of explains impeachment isn't necessarily a recipe for democratic success. every so often america goes crazy for impeachment it's like the flu someone gets it and before you know it everyone sneezing all well and peaching they hoped and prayed

many decades perhaps even life behind bars so really there is no end in sight for the case of julian assad that this has dragged on. certainly drawn emotions and controversy from all sides ranging from more forward tees legal experts on human rights organizations to of course the wider journalist community. whistleblower advocate and long time a strong supporter know me colvin who used to visit him in the ecuadorian embassy described the wiki leaks founder as mental state as fragile in notes in the letters that he's been writing that he's feeling unwell he knows that he's not as strong as he used to be he's feeling a bit fragile he is still trying to. actively be involved in his case and you know he. he's recognized the judean in the letters that i've seen but he is fragile and he experienced an awful lot of harm in the ecuadorian embassy i went to see him quite a lot during that period i saw him decline a bit during that period and i think there's 2 aspects to this the 1st is that today has been living under unrelenting pressure for about a decade that's not healthy for anyone but on top

basically alleges that that chelsea manning who leaked information was doing so in conspiracy with julian assad now it's important to note that chelsea manning is currently in jail in the united states for refusing to testify against julian assigned to the federal grand jury and at this point julian assange is also in jail in the united kingdom he has been sentenced and is in prison in jail in the united kingdom for refusing to go to court back in 2012 now he has recently received that sentence after being taken out of the ecuadorian embassy where he was staying for 7 years in order to in a void the charges that he faced in the united kingdom now all of this stems from the fact that wiki leaks has revealed a huge amount of classified information information that was provided to them by leakers and this is some of the information that wiki leaks made public. i'm going. to go but if you're going to. wiki leaks walks like a hostile intelligence sort of talks like a hot cocoa server. now it's important to note that julian a son just not an employee of the u.s. federal government he did not leak cla

department of justice is insisting that julian assad is not a journalist however many of the voices that have stepped forward are saying that essentially that point doesn't really matter because what assad is accused of doing is what journalists do that would be publishing information making information available to the public now the new york times i have recently wrote an article on articles published by the new york times recently regarding the julian assange case the new york times itself has in the past printed classified information provided by a leaker here is what was written in the new york times regarding the case. notably the new york times among many other news organizations have precisely the same kinds of documents from wiki leaks without authorization from the government it is not clear how this is legally different from publishing classified information now it's important to note that some of the voices now speaking up with concern regarding the julian assange case are voices that have not been juliana songes biggest fan in the past these are some of the very voices that

was what he ended the ecuadorian embassy seeking asylum that the judge that was pretty strict on julian assad. there isn't much of a sense of clemency at the moment from the british authorities in relation to the leaky leaks found he said that the jews julian assange should flouted the law very publicly he did they did justice for seven years while being holed up in the ecuadorian embassy now julian assange anjan his legal team have said that the reason that he had to seek asylum in the ecuadorian embassy was because he was wanted in sweden for questioning over these alleged sexual assault allegations which julian assange to this team members away said is just precut for a u.s. extradition request so he spent seven years inside that embassy the statute of limitations on that swedish case may have expired but last month his relationship with his that dorian hearst broke down to the extent that he was drags out of the ecuadorian embassy in london he was arrested by british police and he was slapped with this u.s. extradition request that is now being well moldova in the court's head in true us

and alleged a long time collaborator of wiki leaks co-founder julian assad will remain in pre trial detention in ecuador a court in the country has dismissed an appeal by all of beenie who was arrested in quito last month on the same day as it was taken into custody in the u.k. well the beanie is a software developer and a privacy activist he has reportedly worked with wiki leaks in the past been he was arrested by ecuadorian authorities on charges of trying to hack computer systems in the country however his lawyers claim the case is politically motivated. now and not ever investigations will find they have been demonstrating what system b.p. is supposed to do when she did it. where i mean what's the information that they were going to show to the world but the decision made here was a political one there were aspects of the hearing that i did not like for example the difference in time allocated we were granted just fifty minutes to talk with the prosecutors spoke for almost one hour and fifteen minutes more critically some of our arguments were dismissed by the judges. joining us on himsel

as a rest comes in the context of a wider crackdown on whistleblowers as folks may be aware julian assads the co-founder of wiki leaks is facing extradition to the united states there are hearings coming up in which it will be determined whether or not he will be sent to the united states to stand trial on computer hacking charges so at the moment it appears that there seems to be a crackdown on those who leaked classified u.s. government information and people are putting the arrest of mr daniel hale into that context. human rights activists have been attempting to prevent france from sending any more to saudi arabia by finding no things going trans violate the u.n. arms trade treaty they say there's clear evidence that scientists have been using french weapons against civilians in yemen they came the sales of that for illegal and render that micron into ministration complicity inside crimes riyadh denies ever intentionally targeting noncombatants items is covered in normandy in new. more than france on thursday to voice their opposition after the government announced a new shipment. wha

ambassador to new partnership and funding how can this be at least part of the answer julian assad's you see the whistleblower was granted asylum at the ecuadorian embassy in london under former president rafael career but the new president doesn't share that love for leaks but the patients of ecuador has its limits we are a tolerant and calm people but not stupid we revoke the asylum in this world brat and got rid of a thorn in our side. and now a new era of friendship between ecuador and the us has been an else there's no more you being. the new iraq. between. good or new chapter new benefits help with social development and education with natural disaster response and the environment with no costs attached all on the u.s. tab so how did this amazing turnaround happen it all began back in 2017 with a visit from trump's then advisor when mr munder fought met with president morin of ecuador to discuss the china development fund the president rose with the money for his desire to remove juvenile sons from ecuador's embassy it's unclear if those talks on assad's came to any conclusion

many decades perhaps even life behind bars so really there is no end in sight for the case of julian assad that this has dragged on. we draw emotions on control issue from both sides ranging from authorities legal experts on civil rights organizations to of course it was journalist community journalist cassandra 5 banks told us the 7 news during a song spent in the ecuadorian embassy amounted to torture it seemed like he was losing weight he he was in good spirits and he was feisty and he was fighting but he he didn't seem necessarily like himself and i know that it's been kind of declining for a while now it is very very different than when i visited him the 1st time which was over a year ago and you can kind of see it progressively getting worse i think that the nikkei has already spent $25000000.00 or more on surveilling and busy and they wouldn't have done that if they didn't have intention of making sure that he was prosecuted i mean when i would visit him it was like living it was being in a fishbowl every move that he made was monitored there were cameras going down the hallway came

many decades perhaps even life behind bars so really there is no end in sight for the case of julian assad that this has dragged on. we draw emotions on from trouble see from both sides ranging from authorities legal experts on civil rights organizations to of course the wide journalist community. ok let's go live to washington now cassandra fairbanks is there a journalist and we collect supporter welcome to our kind of when you last saw mr a song john what did you make of his health when you did see him. so i said julian about a month before he was arrested in march it was breached because the ecuadorian embassy locked me in a room because julian refused just admit to a full body search and didn't why are our conversation to be monitored. so his health it seemed like he was losing weight he he was in good spirits and he was feisty and he was fighting but he he didn't seem necessarily like himself and i know that it's been kind of declining for a while now it is very very different than when i visited him the 1st time which was over a year ago and you can kind of see it progressively getti

sort of calm behind a sound voicing their opposition and this has been a test case not just for julian assad as a person but also for journalistic freedom the people here his supporters believe that press freedom is on trial because of the stories that we have that the atrocities the war trust us in iraq and afghanistan that bring into question the people's right to know and therefore this is a test case not just for julian assange but also for journalism as a whole yes a crucial couple of days coming up business and we'll know more aspersion in the hour about what what can happen imminently behind you there kate partridge in london thanks for being across. breaks things. stories in the u.k. as well actually focusing on london again it seems the u.k. has become increasingly picky about what foreign business is good business the government's pushing for a change in the house of lords which will force players to the clear whether or not they have dealings with russia or china it says as part of a bid to make the political system more transparent the reports on that one. what's more dangerous t

agent himself and this was a deliberate attempt to make it impossible for britain to extradite julian assad to the united states because no country could ever extradite on the has been attacked they still could extradite under the what's called the principle of speciality they could extradite on the 1st indictment if the united states is prepared to give them a commitment that it will not try him on the espionage indictment with the united states be prepared to give that commitment perhaps as part of a negotiation but i don't in any way give any credit at all to the grand conspiracy theory why do you thing it took so long for and i understand we consider them babs fair weather friends the new york times the washington post c.n.n. m s n b c and others to suddenly understand that they had to defend judy in a songe at all costs certainly they don't want to defend and they don't want to be associated with this kind of journalism but the 1st amendment doesn't distinguish between mainstream media and wiki leaks certainly not in the day of social media today where many americans get their news not

as a rest comes in the context of a wider crackdown on whistleblowers as folks may be aware julian assad is the co-founder of wiki leaks is facing extradition to the united states there are hearings coming up in which it will be determined whether or not he will be sent to the united states to stand trial on computer hacking charges so at the moment it appears that there seems to be a crackdown on those who leaked classified u.s. government information and people are putting the arrest of mr daniel hale into that context oh my thea agent in whistleblower county in reilly making information classified is less about ensuring people safety and more about preventing them knowing the truth. the there is supposed to be a law actually that prove. bents classification of information evidencing a crime and so a lot of the classification over classification is actually to prevent people from learning about crime which is completely illegal it's very difficult to explain to people because they don't understand that you're not supposed to be able to commit a crime and then be able to cover it up and

many decades perhaps even life behind bars so really there is no end in sight for the case of julian assad that this has dragged on. we draw emotions and control issue from all sides ranging from awful. legal experts and human rights organizations to of course the wider journalist community . 3 more u.s. democratic presidential hopefuls have joined the chorus of those calling for president trump's impeachment it comes after the retiring special counsel robert muller said he could not exonerates mr trump of obstruction of justice claims but as rough goes the explains impeachment isn't necessarily a recipe for democratic success every so often in america goes crazy for impeachment it's like the flu someone gets it and before you know it everyone sneezing all well and peaching they hoped and prayed mueller would get rid of the president but that isn't how the law works he couldn't do it the opinion says that the constitution requires a process other than the criminal justice system. to formally accuse a sitting president of wrongdoing it's up to congress representatives and senators to start

this very sordid story your package put are all very well this is journalism on trial it's not julian assad this is the right of the public to know what their rulers are doing in their name it's not a trial of julian a son it has nothing to do with computer hacking julian assange has never hacked any computer in the united states he has nothing to do with the united states he's an australian citizen living in london and operating in london and the idea that he should disappear into the jaws of the us justice system for revealing the truth to the public around the world about what our rulers were doing is simply monstrous and if the british courts are worthy of the name they'll reject this this terrible injustice that the united states is demanding they comply with and how likely do you think it is that they will reject this how much leverage does the u.s. have offered them when it comes to this case. well the us has a lot of leverage over the british state and it's true that the judiciary is a part of the state but i have to tell you it's not universally agreed this point but i'd rather tak

on us then when we we resent for it we resent that they resent what we did to them do you think julian assad would get a fair trial if the british authorities here agree to him being exposed extradited to the usa no if he he wouldn't get a fair trial they his that the that's a that's a given anybody who reveals the inner workings of government to the people and of course that that's that's a given that has to take place has the people know what their government's doing then of course they don't they don't impact on the policies of government so how can the people right now in the united states. express themselves on an unmoving the carrier for the kill into the persian gulf what or what is it about you going to do mainstream media will sustain in just reporting this fact but what can people do by giving you are at liberty and you together with daniel ellsberg help to promote the pentagon papers which reveal the lies told to the american public about the war in vietnam but you are at liberty so what do you. i mean the secrets can be told well of course with liberty but here i don't get the la

paul manafort, the president's former campaign chairman, paid secret visits, multiple ones, to julian assadthe ecuadorian embassy in london. this is according to the guardian. [buzzer] >> president trump directed his attorney to lie to congress. [buzzer] >> sean: why no due process? why no presumption of innocence? why no due diligence, even on a 16-year-old kid? blatant false reporting, rushing to judgment again and again. the answer is simple. this corrupt partisan media mob is an integral part of the new radical extreme democratic socialist party. they clearly work together. they develop, push to save narrative, using the same words whether it is true or not. outlets like fake news cnn, conspiracy tv and bc, they have become nothing more than the propaganda arm of the propaganda party. that's why when they try to tell us here at fox and you support us, you are allowing the only voice of radio on the air half the time. that's why democrats, the media sounded exactly i like. remember their comments about collusion? they sound like one another. it's like they are one mind, one heart, one bo

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lavelle some in media and even some politicians are giving julian assange ingenue look and it's no wonder a case can be made the us crusade against assad is a blueprint for criminal eyes in journalism what fate is in store for a songe will journalism suffer the same. across talking julian assange which i'm joined by my guess under walker in london he is a new york observer columnist and in los angeles we crossed out rumple clone he is a comedian a frequent guest on the jimmy door show and the young turks as well as host of his own streaming show get your news on with ron regimen cross talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate i'll go to.

assad as potential state. i think that they're going to try to make an example of julian he's been charged in the eastern district of virginia and is judge was also my judge and snowden's judge and jeffrey sterling's judge who reserves every national security case for herself she's a hanging judge she will not give him a fair trial it will be impossible for julian to receive a fair trial in the eastern district of virginia so i think that they're going to try to extradite him as quickly as possible and they're going to try to give him as many years as they possibly can at the point is to everybody to the point where they don't dare compromise something that might even possibly be classified this is meant to create a chilling effect all across the media not just among americans but everybody around the world. that has now claimed a 2nd prime ministerial scalp speaking outside her 10 downing street residence theresa may expressed regret that she failed to get a deal over the line despite her best efforts she will step down as tory leader on june 7th and remain leader until a successor chosen as mayor made the annou

lavelle some in media and even some politicians are giving julian assange new look and it's no wonder a case can be made the u.s. crusade against assad is a blueprint for criminalizing journalism what fate is in store for a songe journalism suffer the same. cross talking julian assange i'm joined by my guest under walker in london he is a new york observer columnist and in los angeles we crossed he is a comedian a frequent guest on the jimmy door show and the young turks as well as host of his own streaming show get your news on with ron crosstalk rules in effect that means he can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate i'll go to ron because you got up early as for this program and i much appreciate it i always do that i think . there's been a number of articles coming out one notable is by joe lauria at the consortium news that there are a number of politicians and even media outlets are taking a 2nd look after demonizing julian assange for so many years is this because they're beginning to wake up like you haven't i haven't are our platforms that there's this is an attack on freedom of speech or is this a cudgel they're u

julian assange they accuse him of violating the espionage act by publishing secret documents containing the names of confidential military and diplomatic sources it's an escalation in the case against assad which some fear could threaten tradition of press freedom as well. the u.s. justice department's new indictment says that julian assange directed former army intelligence analyst chelsea manning to illegally obtain classified information or any other grand jury the wiki leaks founder didn't release the sensitive documents that could have implications for us on his future already he spent 70 years in london 2nd dorrian embassy in the hope of avoiding extradition to other countries swedish prosecutors also want him in connection with sexual assault charges but a song's feared the u.s. could bring charges against him too when he was removed from the embassy in april and jailed for breaching u.k. bail terms the justice department revealed it was charging him with conspiring with manning to crack a defense department computer password. the latest charges go much further though free speech advocates say they represent a crackdown by the justice department on national security leaks that's g

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assad. you opposed the arrest of julian assange. do you believe that vladimir putin is a threat to u.s. national security? >> you know, it's unfortunate that you're citing that article, george, because it's a whole lot of fake news. what i'm focused on is, what's in the best interest of the american people. what's in the best interest of our national security. keeping the american people safe. and what i pointing out consistently time and time again is that our continued wasteful regime change wars have been counterproductive to the interest of the american people and the approach that this administration has taken in essentially choosing conflict rather than seeing how we can cooperate and work out our differences with other countries in the world have been counterproductive. >> many democrats have been tougher on vladimir putin than president trump -- >> i think that the escalation of tensions that we have seen between the united states and nuclear-armed countries like russia and china -- and you're right, it has come from this administration, it's also has come from democrats and rep

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