>> defend major hero at wikileaks. >> julian assange is a d-bag. the thing on this is the documents show the cia is still intent on carrying out spying in europe. no [bleep] you mental reject. that's their job. i don't care if the other countries are our friends or enemies. their job is to spy on other countries. what's wrong with that? i'm asking you. what is wrong with that? >> can you do it? >> i can. >> why is asan -- >> you don't even know where i am going. >> of course i do. >> hollywood thinks snowden is a hero and when they get their e-mails leaked they say it is unfair, it is unfair. these [bleep] leaked our national security secrets and that's heroic. that is her heroic? this guy put our -- i know these tips are really lame. they are obvious tips. take a shower. don't look dirty and don't buy a plane ticket with cash. we know that. he made their jobs harder and more at risk of being killed. that's what he wanted. he should be shot along with your pal snowden. >> they are completely different. >> how can you say that? >> snowden's domestic

and if you don't like the movie by julian assange, you don't go.country capitulated to terrorists and said they didn't want this movie about kim jong un. >> there is a couple of things. capitulating to terrorists, you can say look, sony is in business to make money. the movie probably wouldn't have made as much money as maybe it would have because of this threat hanging over. mr. mcintyre rightly points out litigation. but the essential thing is this. the hollywood community in general from what i remember was supportive of snowden to some extent. all right. but then the same thing is done to the hollywood community and then they're not supportive anymore. and there is a whiff of hypocrisy there, mr. fowler, i think you would agree. >> i don't know about that one, bill. a whiff of hypocrisy might be a little too strong. at the end of the day -- >> to use president obama's a smidgen? a little? >> a skosh of hypocrisy. whistle-blowers are hailed orrvillified depending on whose whistle is blown. it was launched against a major company to punish the co

how they interrupt the leaks by julian assange or the edward snowden leaks.rom the united states perspective, they are state secrets. from his perspective it is something that ordinary americans should know about. this is about how governments are treating information, and information regarding their citizens, and how they feel that could affect state security >>> china has gaoled a second senior government figure. the former deputy head of the agency was accused of receiving bribes. let's go to adrian brown. he is joining us from the capital. what can you tell us, adrian brown. >> well, this verdict was not expected. people in china are no longer surprised by the sight of former government officials standing trial. since january 5, '25 government officials have been arrested on corruption charges, so as i say, this is not really making news in china. now, leo was the first ministerial official to be expelled, the deputy head of an agency which plays a key role in helping to steer the vast economy. at the trial in september, he was found guilty of accepting m

certain irony here this is liberal hollywood which has been basically supportive of leaks like julian assange>> nobody likes their private e-mails released. there is a little bit of a double standard, sure. no one in the media themselves wants their communications to be put forward. so you know, i think that clearly, when you're the victim, of something like this, you you atrocious. >> now how badly is this hurting sony and the sony brand? >> right now their stock isn't down significantly. their pictures seem to be doing fine. but you know, what they have to be concerned about is what's coming next. you know, whether it's going to harm their relationships with business partners, whether it's going to, you know, harm the careers of the executives at the head of sony. >> because it's not just sort of the gossipy things. the reality is there is some substance to some of the things that have been released. if you go down the list of things you know you're seeing women, both in front of the camera and behind the camera not getting paid as much money as their male counterparts. weaver got these rac

wood julian assange, who is attacking google and me at the moment. on the east coast, you get a negative context. they tend to view it in a more civil libertarian thing. but the courts to size -- courts decide on this issue. we do not want to encourage data leaking. think of all the databases that exist about us, all of you health records, tax records, where you are, what you are doing. it is not good for society to encourage people to do that. the disclosures were helpful in shining a light on practices that people like myself and maybe you did not know existed. we knew they were comfortable but the extent of them was a shock. especially when it starts to monitoring data traffic and google servers where they are clearly monitoring traffic for people in the u.s.. which is, i understand, and i am not a lot or, which is not the issue. the response from the tech industry is clear. massive new encryption initiatives. lawyers from the companies being tougher in court. the response from the u.s. government is a little more muddied if were to give your indu

she is an author and human rights lawyer and represented julian assange who i can't stand, but it isevement. she works to protect kids from being raped and murdered in war zones and as far as barbara walters is concerned she married george clooney? >> you don't understand. feminists love george clooney. >> nobody loves george clooney more than i did. >> put a d at the end ofand not. >> georgeed? >> loved. >> george clooney? >> never mind. >> it is like a weird -- i don't like that at all. you bother me. as i said before, i am fascinated by people, but by behavior, i don't understand why people eat crews stations. crustaceans. they are awful and terrible. bye. standard, are they? you don't get it, you're losing a bundle. . i'm kimberly, along with bob, greg, dana and it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." >>> it is 9:00 a.m. in sidney australia. a city on edge after a jihadist inspired by isis took a cafe under siege, holding more than a dozen people hostage for more than 16 hours. the standoff ended after the police stormed the cafe after the sound of

for some moral high ground which puts dianne feinstein in the same category as ed snowden and julian assangeaceful the. the justice department said specific intent matters. if you intend to inflict pain and suffering for relately retribution, you can't do it. but if you intend to cause fear and anxiety to get information, you can -- >> dick cheney had the intention of inflicting pain and suffering, a, he hadn't read -- >> forget dick cheney. >> no, i'm not going to forget -- >> you should listen to this man and -- this that man came out on his own and did a long form video. >> before i get it from the left which i usually do on this couch, i'm not saying that people are trying to defend and praise khalid sheikh mohammed, but it does strike me as perverse that when the cia came out to protect the lives of americans and did what would make you happy? what is going to appease the left which mark sending sheikh mohammed a flower basket? >> the fact the cia operates with no check and balance from the outside. >> that is completely not true. there are so many people in the debate have come up. >>

his website describes monis as the victim of a political vendetta and likens him to julian assange whoes he's been accused of were politically driven. online the iranian national said he is not part of any organization or party. but he appears to embrace a radical sunni extremist theology in his postings. he claims allegiance to isis with whom iran has also waged war. authorities call him a lone wolf with no direct connection to any group. >> pretty incredible that they knew who he was and this still could have ham. what do you think about when monis left iran in why he was in australia to begin with? >> reporter: certainly authorities were familiar with him. what we're learning is report from iranian media which said he fled the country back in 1995 when he was being pursued for committing fraud. he then twoenl australia where he was given political asylum. what we don't know is why he targeted this chocolate shop or what motivated this attack. >> all right. thank you very much. joining me now, our counter terrorism analyst, patrick skinner, director of special projects and a form he

his website describes monis as the victim of a political vendetta and likens him to julian assange whoaimed sex crimes he's been accused of were politically driven. the iranian national says he's not part of any organization or party but appears to embrace a radical sunni extremist theology in his postings. in one post he claims allegiance to isis with whom iran has waged war. authorizes call him a lone wolf with no direct connection to any group. >> now, monis' former lawyer says he was an isolated figure who probably acted alone. now, earlier i spoke with that attorney, manny conditsis and what he did at the lindt cafe. >> what he did was heinous. and it is indefensible. if we're trying to understand why these events may have come abo about, the history is quite long. and i'll try to make it as brief as possible. but this was a man that was, in fact, a cleric in iran. he was critical of the iranian regime in the late 1990s, fled to australia because he was going to be killed. obtained political asylum in australia in 2001, left behind his then wife and two children in iran whom he's

he played everyone from stephen hawken to julian assange to villain conn. he won an emmy for his role as sherlock holmes in "sherlock." now is in a movie called "the imitation game," he plays britain's great unsung hero alan turing. here's the trailer for the film. >> this war, we're not winning it. you speak a word of what i'm about to show you, you will be executed for high treason. >> it's beautiful. it's the greatest inscription device in history and the germans use it for all communications. >> everyone thinks enigma is unbreakable. >> let me try and we'll know for sure. >> mr. turing, do you know how many died because of it? >> i don't. three. while we have been having this conversation. >> gentlemen, meet mr. turing. we'll work together. they'll only slow me down. you have six minutes to complete the task. >> it's impossible. it takes me eight. >> 5 minutes, 34 seconds. you have to do it in under 6. what is it we're really doing? >> we're with going to break an unbreakable nazi code and win the war. >> oh. to pull this off, one actually has to be a g

apparent website this man portrayed himself as a victim a political vendetta, compared himself to julian assange. is he exactly the type of person that isis is looking for, someone who feels like they have been marginalized in some way by society? >> absolutely. and i have to apologize for my voice at this stage after this long day. he is exactly the kind of disenfranchised alone person that isis gains power from. because we're all talking about isis today. that's essentially isis's success. the bar to entry for isis is very low. and he satisfied it. he said he was a part of isis. and that's essentially the kind of terrorism -- we're careful with what words we use, but that's the kind of terrorism that we should anticipate. look, there is no shortage of sociopaths in the world and there's certainly no shortage of soft targets like a cafe or coffee shop. >> i feel bad asking you another question considering your voice but i appreciate your expertise, juliette. my question is are we in a new era of terror now? is this the lone wolf era, so to speak? >> yeah. it's not so new. what's new about this

-- said he was a victim of political vendetta on his website and he also compared himself to julian assange. richard? >> yes. of course. but you know, what we're seeing with isis is not only the mastering of the social media but all of these individual fighters that are over there, after this conflict has resolved itself, these individuals have to come back to the countries that they came from. you're going to see that happen here in the united states as well as abroad. that's what the biggest fear for the united states intelligence community and law enforcement community is. these individuals who are sympathizing with the isis fighters, the fighters who are currently there, coming back home and trying to track the lone wolf, which we all know as counterterrorism experts is almost impossible to do. >> dafeed, let's dig a little deeper about these lone wolves because recently there was a hatchet attack in new york public, opened fire in canada. now this attack in sydney leaving two people dead in a cafe. how concerned are you about a severe lone wolf attack? new york or in america? >> i thin

." >> and some say the same thing about julian assange.he information already in public view. i think we need to use restraint. brad pitt said recently his wife, angelina jolie, was caught a spoiled brat in one of these e-mails. here's what he said. "we shouldn't be participated and the sites disseminating them, should stop but they don't. and we should stop reading them. we won't. it's more of an indictment on us, i think. these are celebrities and executives that people want to know about. >> i often confuse you with brad pitt -- >> that's not the first time i've heard that. >> is sony talking about what it's going to do with this film that may have spawned this whole mess? >> it's still coming out on christmas day. no plans to scrap that. they've already had the premiere in hollywood. we haven't seen as many press interviews. maybe they'll be careful about what they say on the red carpet. but the movie is coming ut. >> i learned today it is not being released in japan. that's interesting. brian, always great to have you with us. check o

it's the same with julian assange, busy attacking gooming and me at the moment. as a stereotype if you talk to east coaster, they tend to view these things in very, very negative contexts. west coasters, again, generalizations, there are always exceptions, tend to view it with a much more civil libertarian view. i'll let the courts decide those questions. we clearly do not want to encourage bulk data leaking. imagine, again, think of all the data bases that exist about us, health records, tax records, where you are, all that kind of stuff, it is not good for people to encourage people to do that. on the other hand his disclosures were helpful in shining a light on these practices that certainly people like myself and maybe you didn't know existed. we knew they were possible but the extent was a shock. especially when it starts to monitoring data traffic between google servers where they're clearly monitoring traffic for people who are in the u.s., which as i understand and i'm not a lawyer is not their mission. >> the response of the tech industry has been fairly

got access to massive numbers of sensitive and classified intelligence files and got those two julian assange wikileaks. wiki leaks essentially was born in large part, but not , nowsively, out of bradley chelsea manning's, work in the military. he was held accountable for those rings, and now he is just for those things, and now he is serving. i will share my thoughts on this because a goes into the question of edward snowden and the topic of official secrecy. have seen evolve after 9/11 to some degree is a very large state, national security and intelligence apparatus. has been called the intelligence industrial complex it's a large, so sprawling, so everywhere that it is nearly impossible to have accountability. even people in it do not know where all of the corners of the establishment works in. i think there is an interesting challenge in that. when you consider things like snowden, who i do think when over key lines -- we were having a debate about intelligence, and in the right social contract about national security between citizens and the government, people can have different views w

juliane same with assang. the eastlk to coasters, they tend to take negativengs in a very context.est coasters, again these are iteralizations, tend to view in a more civil libertarian view. and i'll let the court decide on questions. we clearly do not want to encourage bulk data leaking. imagine again, think of all the data bases that exist about us, taxof you, health record, record, where you are, what you're doing, it's not good for people tone courage do that. on the other hand, his helpful in were shining the light on these practices that people like myself and maybe you didn't know existed. possible.ey were but when it starts monitoring traffic between google servees, they're clearly for peopletraffic are in the u.s., which i under is not their mission. tech the response from the industry to the snowden revelation, massive new en kreption, lawyers for the .ompanies much tougher in court the response from the u.s. government, a little more at this point. your industry a grade? >> i'm proud of our industry's response, because we knew that encryption was powerful and google was