i dined with my new pal julian assange last night. stone would later explain it was a joke. t was it? both wikileaks and stone's camps deny stone and assange ever meeting and wikileaks maintains it wasn't even a back channel tweeting friday those are only stone attempts at bragging. no evidence of back channels with wikileaks. we know they have communicated directly from these private messages on twitter. since he's been defending them and assange, they may want to re-examine the strategy of attacking him. replies and attempts to distance wikileaks from stone. we appreciate that. however, the false claims of association are being used by the democrats to undermine the impact of our publications. don't go there if you don't want us to correct me. wikileaks tweeted this friday. the charges against mr. stone do not allege that mr. stone lied about his lack of contacts with julian assange, but rather about his contacts with others and about documents reflecting these communications and goes on to say that the office of the special council has never spoken with mr. assange. >> as

stone lied about his lack of contacts with julian assange but rather about his contacts with others andeflecting those communications. and goes on to say, that the office of the special counsel has never spoke within mr. assange. ana, as for assange, he is now well into his seventh year of being confined or perhaps confining himself to the ecuadorian embassy and that looks set to continue, because the british police say they will arrest him if he emerges from there. and a sang still believes that if that happens, he is going to be extradited to the united states. >> all right, phil black in london for us, thank you. >>> coming up, the crisis in venezuela, the international community taking sides, and two men each claim they are the rightful president. hey, darryl! hey, thomas. if you were choosing a network, would you want the one the experts at rootmetrics say is number one in the nation? sure, they probably know what they're talking about. or the one that j.d. power says is highest in network quality by people who use it every day? this is a tough one. well, not really, because verizo

never communicated directly or indirectly with anybody at wikileaks or julian assange. ill maintain that i on my own calculated, figured out, deduced in july and august of 2016 that assange had podesta's e-mails. i have no source that gave me that information. >> i have to tell you in your last interview on "the beat." >> right. >> when you said you came up with that by divine intervention. >> you referred to jeannie ri, a mueller prosecutor, calling it divine intervention. you said it came to you on the fly. >> i said through a process of deduction. >> right. it was not something that somebody told you. of all the things you said in the interview the last time, that got some of the most attention from people who thought that was ridiculous for you to claim that. i want to -- i want to revisit that since you bring it up. when you say that -- >> right. >> that came to you through deduction. >> right. >> that doesn't really match the written evidence that is now in public. i'm reading from your e-mail. when you wrote to stone, "word is friend in the embassy plans two more

. >> i said, i believe that roger had contact with julian assange and i don't know the extent of it i was not involved in that from reading the indictment, it sounds like credico was much more involved in that than i was. >> talking about credico you heard the threats made against him as he was going through the process of giving testimony. and it is clearly written out in the indictment as well for you here, jerome, did you ever have any discussion, did you hear at all from roger stone directly or indirectly as you were going through the 40 hours, the extensive amount of time that you were spending there with the mueller team? >> i had no contact with roger at all through that period of time and i made no contact with him and he made no effort to contact me and i wanted no contact. i was very determined to give honest testimony and not to be influenced or not to be considered to be witness tampering or allow anybody to witness tamper with me >> has anybody else reached out to you about that. >> no. i've very insist ant to want to give honest testimony and be meticulous about this. my

he was using intermediaries who he thought could get messages directly to julian assange.the indictment doesn't say, conspiracy, collusion, so that might be coming, we don't know, but right here focused on lying to congress, witness tampering and obstruction, but the big question to me is what's not in the indictment, which is the details of exactly who in the trump campaign was communicating with roger stone about what assange had. >> danny, why didn't the indictment just lay that out there if it's going to have a vague reference, this passive aggressive reference to this person, why didn't they mention it there >> more than anything what's compelling is the doj policy for not naming entities or individuals that they're not charging with a crime. so to dispense with that and say the trump campaign and then say senior official and then add that that senior official was directed and you can assume that people only direct people who are beneath them, that seems to be a lot of extra information that you don't normally see in indictments unless there are there for a very speci

i met with my new pal julian assange last night. if wikileaks and stone's camps deny stone and assange ever meeting and wikileaks said there wasn't a back channel tweeting these are only stone/corsi attempts at braggadocio. we know that stone and wikileaks have communicated directly from the private messages on twitter. october 13, 2016, stone messages wikileaks that since he has been defending them and assange they may want to re-examine the strategy of attacking him. a staff member attempts to distance wikileaks from stone. we appreciate that, however, the false claims of association have been used by the democrats to undermine the impact of our publications. don't go there if you don't want us to correct you. wikileaks tweeted this statement from a lawyer on friday. the charges against mr. stone do not allege that mr. stone lied about his lack of contacts with julian assange but rather about his contacts with others and about documents reflecting those communications. and goes on to say that the office of the special counsel has n

he contacts to other people that would be in touch with assange, and a radio host who had julian assa assange and his radio show. so trump said find out what he knows, and there are all kinds of jobs. find out if there is anything more about their inabout to act effectively as sec fair of state. when he was asked about all of that he lied and he told his intermediary to lie as well and very colorfully the indictment said be like that guy in the godfather movie that lied when he was called before congress. >> if he doesn't lie before congress about his contacts, and if he was as specific, denying specific portions of "i didn't move documents from russians and things like this." would it be a crime to coordinate with wikileaks. >> well, so maybe, we're nibbling at a conspiracy here, right? pete is right i don't think this indictment of stone demonstrates at conspiracy, but it hints at one. is it a crime to coordinate, well if they knew, for instance, that wikileaks was getting their information from hacked dnc computers courtesy of russia, sure. but if they thought wikileaks just stumbl

i know for myself i have never spoken to julian assange directly or indirectly.ntact. >> sean: so comparing the pentagon papers case, which you did a dissertation ironically on, and looking at this case, all you and roger want to know what does he have? neither one of you were part of a conspiracy to steal information from anybody nor did you steal any information from anybody. the president 6-3 decision in the pentagon papers case, the u.s. against the "new york times" clearly states that the "times" had a right to publish information as long as they didn't steal it. and you were requesting information and trying to find information like many others in the media what was coming next, correct? >> you are exactly right, sean. we had a right to do this. every journalist and person involved in political operations and the campaign julian assange not only dropped 40,000 emails debbie wasserman schultz july 22nd, 2016, within a day or two he said he had more emails to come. and, of course, the speculation was rampant. i wanted to know. irving wanted to know. i paused

. >> my whole investigation blew up because i don't have contact with julian assange.t 20 hours i detailed there were very abusive and i think out of order. >> who did they ask mostly about? >> they asked mostly about roger stone. >> roger and michael. >> roger stone. >> dodgy dossier allegations. >> no ho? who is that? >> those 35 pages. a lot of those specific details. >> the question is were they asking you about foreign contacts, oligarchs, who did they ask you about? >> everything sort of revolved around those 35 pages in the steele memorandums which were totally false as it relates to me. >> relates to you going to welsch and allegedly holding meetings. >> all of those allegations specifically were with two people i neff met in my life. >> their focus with you was contact with foreigners. >> for you contacts with his former lawyer going to jail and mr. stone. >> also foreign contacts. if you set me up against everybody in trump tower in the campaign i probably had more contact with russians than anybody combine. my ukraine mother-in-law is with us in buffalo righ

. >> he never directly spoke or had direct contact with julian assange. >> he published thousands of e-mails from the 2016. >> you resigned from the dnc because of the revelation in those e-mails. what is the allegation that a top trump campaign official was directed to contact roger stone to get more information from wikileaks about these hacked e-mails. >> they have had -- they are just -- they were infected with contact with russia. they have had six or seven indicted or people -- indicted officials or people associated with them who pleaded guilty. all of whom were involved with contact with russia somehow. and in this case, with roger stone. he literally weaponized information stolen by vladimir putin to help elect donald trump president. >> he worked with high level campaign officials from the trump campaign. who were directed by someone even higher. essentially to make sure that they could traffic in information stolen by a foreign enemy state to elect the candidate that he supported, president of the united states. and it was a disgusting and traitorous act, and it needs to b

he said during the campaign he was in direct contact with giuliani abojul julian assange after. i don't think the you can take his word on anything. he is a conspiracy theorist. he says lbj killed jfk. for him, it's all a show. for years he has said with pride, with pride that his personal mantra is admit nothing, deny everything. so whatever he is coming out and saying on these shows and in front of his nice ft. lauderdale home is really in a lot of ways irrelevant. i know we should cover it and talk about it, but there is no credence i think you can give to any statement that roger stone makes. >> well, i think you may be conflating relevance and credibility, which your co-counsel here knows are two very different concepts. >> i'm the nonlawyer here, yes. >> i'm not trying to give you a hard time here. you're all over the story. but david, i think the whole point is just as michael cohen lying in public or lying on television was a part of the story and his lying to congress was a chargeable offense, mueller seems to be bearing down on precisely the question of whether this wa

stone lied about his lack of contacts with julian assange. t rather about his contacts with others and about documents reflecting those communications. and goes on to say that the office of the special counsel has never spoken with mr. assange. phil black, cnn, london. >> phil, thank you. >>> we're tracking developments in the philippines. a military official says at least 17 people are dead, dozens more wounded, after twin blasts at a cathedral. they happened in the town of jolo in southern sulu province. >> the first blast happened inside the cathedral, the second targeted soldiers nearby. the region has seen violence between muslims and christians for decades. >>> rescue workers in brazil have a long road ahead of them. they're still trying to find hundreds of people believed buried after a dam collapsed. we have an update on that story ahead for you. >>> also after spending three days lost in the woods in the middle of winder, casey hathaway was found alive. his family tells his remarkable story. ahead here. >>> welcome back. signs of prog

julian assange we know, from his previous experience, is anti-american.e has been responsible for tangible harm to american national security. why in the world would anyone if associated with the trump campaign want to have anything to do with julian assange? and isn't that sleazy behavior that should be rejected politically? >> well, it is sleazily behavior. roger stone specializes in sleazy behavior. but again, i want to emphasize there is the idea here that the trump campaign was in collusion with the russians -- paul: right. and there's no evidence in the four corners of this indictment of any of that. >> yeah. and think back to the trump campaign through this period of 2015-2016. paul if, it was virtually a pick-up basketball team -- paul: and a bad one. >> and a bad one. they were just throwing a campaign together. paul manafort became the director of the campaign partly because stone recommended him, and partly because donald trump knew him because he lived in trump tower. the idea that they could have orchestrated something this sophisticated real

different text messages e-mails between the trunk campaign between what they call person one julian assange and then the seventh charge is the guy who he tried to blame it on well that guy was being subpoenaed to testify before the house and roger stone kept telling him to plead the fifth he actually cited something from the godfather movie about you know a snitch and when the guy basically was like and i'm not going to plead the fifth you should go back and tell the truth he's basically said i'm going to kill you and your dog so that's witness tampering so roger stone facing some very serious charges and he was saying that he was sending a message to the president and was reiterating how he would not go up against the president but should trump be worried about this indictment in particular. i think this is the close as they've gotten to president trump this is not somebody who just worked on the campaign for a little bit this is a lifelong friend they've known each other for decades roger stone has quite a reputation for dirty tricks in washington so yes i think the president should be co

the embassy is obviously julian assange, wikileaks.his, you are on vacation in italy, mid-summer, "second and october. impact planned to be very damaging." then it goes on to say "time to let more than the clinton campaign to be exposed as in bed with the enemy, if they are not ready to drop hrc. that appears to be the game. hackers are starting to suggest that hillary clinton is old, memory is bad, has a stroke. i expect much of the next dump focused, setting the stage for the foundation debacle." that sounds really very much a spot on to exactly what happened. >> i think the special prosecutor had a hard time, and probably the public does -- that was our 25th wedding anniversary, my wife and myself in italy. i had some time and really connected the dots, i figured out that julian massage had mike podesta's emails, and i was remarkably right about them. generally, the special prosecutor set i had to have a source. we spent the last 20, 40 hours of this gruesome interrogation -- i detail it in my book -- looking through all my contacts

lawyers for julian assange are moving to try and compel the trump administration to unseal charges it secretly filed against the wikileaks founder. ken dilanian covers intelligence for nbc news. what are we learning about? put it into some context. >> a filing by the lawyers for an sack to the interamerican commission on rights. the news of this filing is wikileaks is saying federal prosecutors have been pressing witnesses both in the united states and in iceland and in germany to testify against julian assange in exchange for immunity. wikileaks says those have been people involved in various disclosures by wikileaks about the iraq and afghanistan war, about the cia and other things portraying this as an attack by the united states on wikileaks as a journalistic organization. they make no mention of wikileaks role in leaking those hacked democratic e-mails stolen by the russians. of course, that's the sub text here. we don't know what the sealed charges are against julian assange but do know the united states has declared assange and wikileaks, essentially a hostile intelligence orga

and julian assange said sure, gave it to him. i don't think that is crime. neil: as he said a number of times wouldn't flip on donald trump. >> said that. neil: told "politico" earlier this month, he would have nothing to flip on because he insisted on his innocence, quoting here, because there is no crime. >> he would have to pay for that. now, exchange a favor for it to be a real crime. now something is afoot here obviously. the feds belief he has, keys to the kingdom to donald trump. that is why they raided his home. i will tell you, someone covered a lot of white-collar crime, why do they do these raid? what they do generally -- neil: rudy giuliani was famous for that. >> famous for that. recent times what they do, call up cnn, cnbc, going to x, y, z's house show up with a camera. they actually do that i know this for a fact. why do they do this? for white-collar crime often to humiliate the guy, show the public we're going after the fat cats. to humiliate the person, target into talking. i think that is what they're trying t

he served as intermediary with julian assange who runs wikileaks.ow, none of what stone or credico did with assange is illegal. journalists did that kind of thing all the time. if the lying we are told must be punished with you jail time. okay. but, again, we have noted this before. what you are looking at here is a brand new standard of conduct, one that nobody has been paying close attention to this country for the last 20 years would even recognize there san awful lot of lying out there. an awful lot. a lot of not acknowledged as lying. every time an illegal immigrant lies to a federal immigration officer that's a felony. any time a politician lies under note congress that's a potential jail term. both of those happen a lot but nobody is ever charged for any of it. now, this is hardly a defense of lying. lying is bad. it's corrosive and one of the main problems with our political system, actually. everybody lies all the time. but there is, at least, one thing that is worse than lying. even lying under oath. and it's the selective application of f

stone do not allege that will stone lied about his lack of contacts with julian assange. is contacts with others and about documents reflecting those communications. and goes on to say that the office of the special counsel has never spoken with mr. assange. phil black, cnn, london. >>> was this deal any different from what he's been offered for weeks now? and what does this mean for the fight ahead? >>> plus the list of 2020 presidential candidates grows every day, but, first, everybody needs to know how to pronounce their names, coming up, jeanie mos, that's how you pronounce her name with fun pronunciations. ♪ ♪ our new, hot, fresh breakfast will get you the readiest. (buzzer sound) holiday inn express. be the readiest. there's brushing...and there's oral-b power brushing. oral-b just cleans better. even my hygienist said going electric could lead to way cleaner teeth. and unlike sonicare, oral-b is the first electric toothbrush brand accepted by the ada. oral-b. brush like a pro. means they won't hike your rates over one mistake. see, liberty mutual doesn't hold grudge

hysteria over a false story like they did with w m d in iraq like they did a few weeks ago with julian assange and met with amanda for it and like they did when they said nora was tracking santa don't worry norad is still tracking santa is journey across the globe you might think that's not so bad but that was russian seana. pretty but so they cover these idiotic stories and yet when the truth finally comes out which for one big story it did last week they suddenly get very quiet about it don't really want to talk about how they got it completely wrong do you remember this story from august twenty seventh seen some u.s. government personnel who were working at our embassy and have an acute on official duty said they were there are working on on par on behalf of the u.s. embassy there and they've reported some incidents which have caused a variety of physical symptoms ok so incidents have been the cause something but we don't know what or how or who got it. if i heard that brief. and i wrote a story about it the story would be titled something happened to someone somewhere you better believe mu

between assange and him. >> i have no idea what i said to him, but i did not pass frfgs from julian assanger stone. taking stone's request and passing it on for specific e-mails. it doesn't state in the request was acted on, but mueller shows these two men's relationship started to frey charging that stone threatened him to prevent him from cooperate and threatened his pet stone writing he would "take that dog away from you." stoep is denying these charges today, but the evidence is emerging in realtime and we asked about his motivation for the threats. >> he said i'm going to take that dog away from you ly prove to the world you're a liar, is stone in your view trying to threaten you so you will change your account of his activities in 2016 >> he's afraid i'm going to unload on him. >> we have been watching all of this, it may sound like a movie and that is deliberate the is a self pro claimed dirty trickster. and because this is 2019, this is the second time that reference has come up this very week michael cohen's lawyer invoked it to explain witness tampering last night when they talk a

named as the routine door will be tried in portugal and could face up to ten years in prison julian assange has long running refuge inside the ecuadorian embassy in london has not stopped we can leaks and football league says the arrest would not stop them either but will a hacker trying to clean up sport get the same backing as the whistleblower looking to call out governments. the r.t. reporting from moscow. president donald trump's pick for us at. bernie general is being given a tough time over his views on the investigation into election meddling but as caleb maupin explains there are far more troubling episodes in the nominee's past that haven't made it into the spotlight ninety nine is bush era official william bars on the roster to once again become the u.s. attorney general but as the confirmation process continues at this point the media is focusing on one particular aspect president speak to run the justice department says he would let special counsel robert mueller finish the investigation into russian meddling in the twenty sixteen election the president's pick for attorney gene

holed up in your room for seven years you will of course have heard about the weekly leaks and julian assange but since twenty fifteen the planet's most popular sport has also had its own whistle blowing web site called ball leaks revealing the dark side of the beautiful game. now football league finally has a face named in some media as thirty year old to rui pinball from portugal he's been detained in budapest and facing numerous criminal charges been tools alleged hacking activities have reportedly targeted portugal's football elite leaking sensitive contract and player details to the press and football's cyber version of robin hood has got a few superstars in a spin. i'm very sad very upset because they're making this thing up things are not real. the arrest comes with football league's popularity beginning to peak after some time in the wilderness following a criminal investigation football leagues returned with a bang in twenty eighteen taking aim at one of europe's financial powerhouses manchester city believe me. you know which happened because. in the emails claim to show how a man c

also want to play one sound bite from an interview sean hannity did with julian assange.people to take what they will from home. >> our source is not the russian government. >> sean: russia did not give you the podesta documents or anything from the dnc? >> correct. >> martha: what did you make of that, michael? >> that's a what roger believes as well. when the dnc documents came out that, were purloined, i immediately thought it was russia. i lived if russia for many years, i was sent there by the clinton administration, by the way, to meddle in their elections. i spent a long time. and i thought the russians worked. and i also thought that they had been so successful with their hacking and social media programs in ukraine and such that they were going to turn it on the united states. in the days that it happened, i thought that barack obama should do something about it. roger didn't agree with that. roger still believes to this day what julian assange said in the interview, he's not in any way related to the russians. but the bottom line of the whole thing, did roger st

lies stone is said to have told congressional investigators about his attempts to reach out to julian assange investigators found no collusion or they would have charged him with it. the president's legal counsel said the same. it does not come to collusion by roger stone or anything else. the tweet last hour, no collusion. but there is a coordinated effort by the trump campaign to obtain information on wikileaks through stone. stone said he can prove this. after the july 22, 2016 release of stolen dnc e-mails by organization i -- that's wikileaks -- a senior trump campaign official was directed to contact stone about any additional releases and what other damaging information organization 1 had regarding the clinton campaign. stone thereaftertold the trump campaign about potential future releases of damaging material by organization 1. nick valencia is live outside the courthouse. we're waiting for roger stone when he comes out. take us inside those proceedings. >> reporter: it was a packed courtroom, no doubt about that, john. a few reporters were not allowed in. civilians were not allowed

so you would think the press would be saying wikileaks run by julian assange who doesn't like hillary clinton. no. you would think they would say wikileaks, passing russian hacked content through. they didn't. we would interpret the content differently if we kept it tied to the source. some people might say well, i like julian assange, i like russian, at which point they might be more approving of the content. but some people might ask the question, why are they doing this? what is their interest in this? and should some of this be discounted on those grounds because there's nothing comparable being done with donald trump. this isn't like press leaking where the press will find anything it can from anybody and try to get it out there. this is asymmetric, happening only on one side and it's tactical. it's being used in this case to blunt the effects of the "access hollywood" tape which it effectively did that weekend by creating a counterbalanced narrative. we know from the woodward book that inside the trump campaign, there was active consideration of moving pence to the top of the ti

something to happen the past few days that ties into all of this is julian assange, his lawyers filederage application. he doesn't want to be extradited to the u.s. so they filed an application with the inter-american commission on human rights asking for u.s. prosecutors to unseal any of these secret charges we have learned about in the media. do you think -- because julian assange, andy, is that the center of all this -- in these secret charges, if the prosecutors are forced to unseal them, without give us any more clue as to whether he had any direct involvement with the campaign? >> andy: i think it, clearly, if they unsealed anything on him that we would have a much better read of what it is. i don't think there is snowball's chance that the justice department or the u.s. courts will unseal these things, because they get asked by -- whether it's assange or an international tribunal. if i was the attorney general and it was my call, i would say, "show up here in the united states, surrender yourself, you will get all the discovery and the due process you are entitled to. until tha

julian assange and wikileaks are undoubtedly connected to the russian intelligence services.ad a member of the kremlin basically working for rt, which is their propaganda outlet, approach julian assange of wikileaks in 2013 to offer him a renewal of his contract with rt. so he's working with the russians. that's the guy and wikileaks were the guys roger stone was involved with. gusfer 2.0, another guy we have become familiar with, the intelligence community has now determined guccifer was a gru operation, part of the information operation that was conducted here in this country in 2016 into the lead-up to the election. so there's really little to no doubt, no doubt whatsoever in my mind, that he was connected with the russians. >> harry, months after russia is directly linked to wikileaks. months after that was publicly known, and months after mueller, you know, says in the indictment that somebody directed a senior campaign official to tell stone to go back to wikileaks, right, so months after these things happen, we hear things like this from donald trump. >> this just came

when the trump campaign said to roger stone, well, you're tuy who claims to be able to talk to julian assange, what else have they got? that's the picture painted from the charges today. >> we're getting a little color from inside the courtroom. let me look at notes. apparently there's a $250,000 signature bond requi,d he his hands were shackled in the court. he is going to be released. he'll be restricted to south florida, virginia and d.c. again, pete saying the case will go forward in washington. he's not allowed to change his address. he'll surrender his ssport. apparently his passport is expired. he's not able to contact witnesses, sell personal property, agree to drug testing. these are some of the conditions of his release pending this appeartoce in court y. we want to go to kristen welker right now at the white house. kristen, what reaction have we been heang from the white house? >> reporter: lester, the reaction so far from the white house andm fe president has been defiant. we got our first tweet just moments ago. let me read ito you. the president tweeting greatesth witch hunt i h

the big, big claims he made about wikileaks, as well as requests he made for information from julian assange and the way he talked to his self-proclaimed identified intermediary also, his communications with the trump campaign about wikileaks. stone maintains everything had gone well that day >> we had a very frank exchange. i answered all of the questions. i made the case that the accusation that i knew about john podesta's e-mail hack in advance was false. i think this was productive. >> i'm joined now, as promised, by congresswoman jackie speier from the house intelligence committee. what does today's indictment say about the consequences for allegedly misleading your committee? >> i think that many of those who testified before our committee while the republicans were in power were under the impression that they could say virtually anything and get away with it. and we're going to see in short order that roger stone is not the only one that lied to congress and that there are consequences. it's a felony to lie to congress, and we're seeing the results of that in this indictment. >> your

julian assange came out and said jerome corsi had nothing to do with this?going to be roger stone, me, julian assange, i was going to connect the dots and go back to president trump. i maintain i figured out in july and august that assange had posses --that had podesta's ema. trish: did you ever talk to assange? i never communicated with him directly or indirectly. today wikileaks put out a statement that qulud wikileaks had never talked or shared information with jerome corsi, he mentioned my name, during the 2016 campaign about the emails that had been taken from the dnc. trish: but the fed don't believe that. >> i guess they don't believe anybody except they have a predetermined set theory look for a criminal. they have a crime and they know who the criminal was. donald trump and the white house. so the only facts mueller is interested in meet his predetermined theory. suddenly they want to say around liar and you are going to prison for the rest of your life. trish: they are saying you are a liar and we are going to make your life miserable null come aro

campaign manager who was trump's rival he was talking to wiki leaks they say he was talking to julian assange its founder and also talking to officials in the trump campaign about when and what wiki leaks had now he's not charged with collusion but he basically is being charged with when he was asked about this to the house intelligence committee they he said basically there's nothing i've had no communication no text messages no e-mails nothing so they're saying that he obstructed that investigation five counts of lying to members of congress which is a felony and the other count is apparently when what he said to explain the fact that he tweeted out in advance that all of these things were going to come that this other guy told him about it while this other guy said i'm going to tell the truth and then stone is alleged to have written an e-mail to him basically saying prepare to die and i'm going to kill your dog to sounds like hardball tactics but that is exactly what roger stone is known for. roger stone is a man who really likes the camera it is better to be infamous they'll never be fam

and it was a friday afternoon or so and roger said to me, oh, i met with julian assange. said, roger told me that they were going to release information about the clinton foundation my initial -- initially, i said to him, well, does he have any new information about benghazi and i would point to the fact that assange didn't release anything related to either one, so at that -- so, did i believe him initially when he told me? i didn't have any reason not to believe him, but when it didn't pan out and roger started making these public statements, i thought that this was just another, you know, dangerous but publicity-type sinking stunt by roger to stay relevant within the campaign and within the public sphere of the campaign. >> all right jill winebanks. >> sam, i would like to ask you because i think people would like to know, the evidence now gathered and presented in this indictment is so strong against roger. >> right. >> and he's still saying i'm not going to plead guilty, i am going to stand firm. when is someone going to get to him to make him realize that he is goin

from wikileaks to damage hillary clinton's campaign and he bragged about it with the founder, julian assange. >> i have communicated with assange. >> reporter: according to the indictment, he spoke to stone about wikileaks and information that might be damaging to the clinton campaign. prosecutors allege a senior trump campaign official was directed to contact stone about any additional releases. it's unclear who delivered those instructions and which official stone was in touch with about wikileaks. one was steve bannon, a chief executive of the trump campaign. stone was not charged with conspiracy. he faces one count of obstruction. they are related to the lies before the house intelligence committee. >> any error i made in testimony would be immaterial and without intent. >> he faces one count of trying to tamper with testimony. at one point, threatening to steal his dog. stone claimed that was his back channel to wikileaks, which he denies. stone said stone wall it. plead the fifth. anything to save the plan. amid references to richard nixon and "godfather" movies. stone urged trump to r

therefore the cover story was roger stone thought this guy could be a good contact to julian assange of wikileaks. if the guy could interview him, presumably he could also reach him to get information about what wikileaks had on the clinton campaign according to prosecutors today, that was the cover story that roger stone concocted and tried to sell to the house intelligence committee under oath according to prosecutors today that story is false and the real story is that stone actually dispatched this guy, different guy, to contact julian assange in order to figure out what wikileaks had on clinton now, put those -- can we put those two guys up side by side okay right. again, this -- bear with me here i mean, this is the big lie that's spelled out in the indictment roger stone says the guy on the right is how he tried to contact wikileaks. actually, it was the guy on the left okay who cares? why does that matter why would the difference between those two paths to wikileaks be worth not only lying about it to congress but doing backflips and making all these broke threats against ano

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stone has repeatedly denied any direct connection to julian assange in wikileaks. stone originally attracted attention after tweeting in august of 2016 that it would soon be hillary clinton campaign chairman john podesta's time in the barrel. stone has repeatedly denied having advanced knowledge of the hack of podesta's e-mails. >> just a coincidence that two days later, voila, the podesta e-mails dropped? >> the answer to your question is yes, that would be based on conjecture, supposition. but there is no evidence to suggest that that is what i was speaking to, i never said anything of the kind. there is no evidence whatsoever that i had advanced knowledge of the content or source of this material. i received nothing from wikileaks or from the russians. i passed nothing on to donald trump or the trump campaign. we've been through this ad nauseam. it is a wild goose chase. >> the indictment alleges a link between stone and the trump campaign, saying, quote, during the summer of 2016, stone spoke to senior trump campaign officials about organization 1, that's wikil

that is the usual sense in your mind what is it about julian assange because his supporters in london when one talks to them as i don't often they pitch him as if he's being held against his will he's never been held against his will he's always been free to walk out of the building whenever he felt like it in the past six years so for you what is it about him that keeps him in your embassy with the equal of the c.e.o. you've got it up with you utils limitless because you really see. the sort of there was a brutal but. it will be loosely it will be with people who will is from the police will is going to be going to be who. it will be. so he is police who couldn't little to remove. the percent that. he says. would you be prepared or would you have been prepared to do some sort of deal with poll man a fort. he is as we know who he is was very very close to donald trump and that there's no question of donald trump having been in the loop on this you're smiling so you know where i'm going with this question you had two meetings with a fort and apparently poor man a fourth said to you he

where's the evidence i received anything from wikileaks or julian assange or passed it on to the trumpit simply does not exist. >> he says -- no collusion in this indictment. is he wrong in. >> well, a couple things, right? this is a little bit of a verbal game that trump and his cronies have been using all along. just because it's not in the indictment doesn't mean -- that we're seeing, doesn't mean that it didn't happen. doesn't mean we won't see it later. i think we've all come to realize that there are certain things that mueller has been careful about, not naming certain individuals, and i think putting certain things in some of these documents, i think that's as much a testament to wanting to hold some things back. here's the other problem stone has. you can't have it both ways, right? you can't go around bragging about being a dirty trickster, and how you had dinner with julian assange, which he did. that piece turned out not to be true. we know from factual evidence he was in communication with an intermediary who was in communication with wikileaks which we now know was an arm

the trump campaign to ask what wikileaks had after stone had bragged that he was in touch with julian assangect, contacted assange through intermediaries. and the second thing the special counsel robert mueller says here, is that he urged another man, a talk show host, to lie to congress when he was asked about all of this, telling him he should plead the fifth invoking the name of a character from the "godfather" movie, saying he didn't know anything. and saying at one point to this intermediary, if you don't lie to congress, i'll take your dog. lester. >> there will be those already parsing this indictment, pete. we know, of course, this investigation has been about this whole issue of collusion. does it tie him to communications with the russians? >> reporter: no, it does not. it doesn't say he was directly in touch with the russians. it doesn't even say he was directly in touch with wikileaks. but you know, roger stone brought this on himself. he painted the bull's eye on his own back. early on, even before robert mueller was appointed, he was bragging that he was in touch with julian ass

stone saying he has never been in touch with julian assange and instead was just a good predictor. is willing to cooperate. >> i'll be happy to testify -- i would expect to be subpoenaed, and i'll let the testimony fall wherever it falls. i'm going to tell the truth to the best of my ability. even that's hard given the amount of information and the fact that i've said from the beginning i'm not a human tape recorder. you can't push a button and i can't recall precisely in detail granularly conversations, e-mails, events from 2016, but i'm going to do my best to tell the truth without calculation of whom it benefits or whom it detracts. >> jerome corsi, though, has already been talking. he's been interviewed by mueller's team multiple times. and fredricka, he has said to cnn that in those talks with mueller's team, he says mueller's team knows everything and they have everything, so maybe an ominous warning to people who might still be talking to mueller to perhaps tell the truth. >> all right, jessica schneider, thanks so much. >>> in the meantime, we're waiting to hear from senato

. >> wikileaks and julian assange. let's go to london outside thel assange has been living. what's the latest? >> wikileaks says the indictment proves what it has always said. it always maintained there was no direct communication between stone and wikileaks or stone and its founder julian assange. instead, it believes it proves its other story, stone was simply happy to promote the idea he was a bell to obtain information directly from wikileaks. happy for people to think there was some back channel direct to the man who is still staying in the embassy behind me. even though no back channel existed. >> the charges relate in no way to russian collusion, wikileaks collaboration. connection with the 2016 campaign. >> roger stone's indictment could damage hillary clinton's race in coordination with the trump campaign. >> anyone in the trump campaign tell you to contact wikileaks? >> no. i addressed that before. that's correct. >> the mueller probe paints a different picture. back to july 2016 when wikileaks releases thousands of stolen documents from the dnc damaging to hillary