i think we have to be careful with making that decision. >> l.z., julian bond as i mentioned to spike, he was on the program recently, he talked about the fight for equality for gays and lesbians now as being part of the continuum of the civil rights movement for african-americans. do you see it that way? because that offends some people making that comparison. >> well, i definitely see it as a continuum for civil rights. there's a civil rights movement with a capital c, capital r and a little c and a little r. we're still fighting for all equality. as far as the african-american community is concerned, i think you heard a lot of the hesitation voiced in what the professor said and how he characterized things. from my perspective, a lot of what he believes or at least is characterizing it as being a choice, like a viable alternative lifestyle like there's some gay lifestyle that can be chosen. sexual orientation is part of your being, just like eye color and part of your skin. at that part makes african-americans uncomfortable but i can't help the fact that people are going to be unco

joining me now is julian bond, former chairman of the naacp. for being here tonight. >> it's my pleasure, reverend. thank you for having me. >> now, mr. bond, you were chair of the naacp when it faced this audit. how did the irs explain their investigation back in 2004? >> the letter we got from the irs said that i had criticized president bush. now, you know, i've been a citizen of the united states since my birth. and i've always believed that with that citizenship came the right to criticize presidents, mayors, people in public office, anybody you chose. and was just shocked to see this was the rationale for what for us was two years of struggle, a lot of money we had to spend, expee expensive lawyers we had to hire to protect our tax exemption. as you just said, had we lost our tax exemption it would have crippled the naacp. of course, the people behind this knew that and thought it would cause this great deal of trouble and make us less effective than we would have been in the upcoming election. >> now, you criticized his policy in iraq. d

i do want to play as i brought up julian bond. hour talking about what he went through when he was chairman of the naacp in '04. when they had their irs investigation, what he says today about the tea party and why it might be targeted. take a listen. >> i hope they don't get -- they are the taliban wing of american politics. we all ought to be a little worried about them. >> sir, do you think that's a little harsh? calling them the taliban wing of american politics? >> not at all. not a t all. the truth may hurt but it's the truth. >> he doesn't feel that's incendia incendiary. victoria, that's going to fire up people. certainly the irs is going to fire up tea party patriots in the country. what do you think they're going to use this to pivot off from. a lot of people want to have grand conspiracy theories the government is out to get you. now it looks like uncle sam is. >> tom, the tea party has a new lease on life. over the last two years the tea party has been in decline. outside of my home state of texas and, say, south carol

as julian bond said, it started with the civil rights movement.he woman's rights movement came after that. now we're going with the gay movement. >> but there are people, and i've talked to a number of african-americans, who do not believe, who in fact defended that comparison, who say, you know, it's completely different. >> anderson, there is no -- i cannot make an excuse for that. there are, i will say, a large segment of african-americans who are very homophobic. there's no getting around that. >> where do you think that comes from? >> one of the top guys at espn came out yesterday on air and said -- not come out, he didn't come out, but he said that, you know, he felt it was a sin against god, homosexuals. and he's african-american brother from new orleans. >> so do you see that in the community as something based largely on religious beliefs, religious tradition? >> well, look, to be honest, there are many gay people in the church. let's keep it real. there are gay people in the black church. so you just can't say i believe in god, that mean

what happened, julian bond criticized president bush. him in part for not attending the naacp conference. >> didn't he actually say the thing most americans wanted were our troops to be in this country rather in a war that was sold to us on bogus intelligence? >> he was critical on the war in iraq. all of a sudden the naacp gets a letter from the irs stating julian bond's statements, they specifically referred to his statements against the war and for the president, were a reason why there was going to be an audit. when the irs has been used politicalry, it hasn't been reviewing the status of a 501c4, it's been an audit. the naacp was audited for not one year, but two solid years. they didn't get out from under it until 2006. one other thing i'll mention, as part of the documents that had to be turned over to the naacm f to defend themselves, it turns out going back as far as 2000, members of congress, including susan collins who's been outraged about what's happening with the tea party, she was one of several members of congress, lamar

this was the julian bond, head of the naacp. >> i think it's legitimate to look at the tea party.hat are admittedly racist. overt politically that tried to harm president obama every way they can. they are the taliban of american politics and we ought to be worried about them. >> dana: andrea, lled the taliban of the conservative party. >> andrea: that is the type of rhetoric we heard in the white house, but the media cared the water on. they were the ones reporting on the tea party that was untrue simply because the tea party wanted smaller government. nancy pelosi said this is outrageous but we should look into citizens united. even though it's bad we should continue doing it. national organization for marriages and two reporters targeted. it's the chicago way. he said he changed d.c. the way they do business -- boy, has he ever. >> dana: i'm going to spay you on the head in aacp. >> greg: this is how tolerance turns into fascism. if you are against obama you must be a racist. that gives implicit approval for persecution. i have to defend the tea party once again. they are basic

. >> i think the tingle on his leg zblsh he's making -- julian bond, you remember when he said the tea party was like the taliban. alan coombs said, they're against women's rights. like what? he can't answer. they're just like the taliban. it becomes so preposterous. no wonder people turn to other places to find out their news because you're not going to get it from there. >> now that you've mentioned the junian von cut, can we listen to that for a second? >> they're hostile to women's rights, so is the taliban. they're enraptured by a sort of stalinist religion. i'm going to get in real trouble about this. you know, in which they obey religious dogma that oert christians don't obey. in many ways they're very much like the taliban. >> so you don't think these are true christians if they're members of the tea party. >> i think they're cafeteria christians. they pick one from column a, one from column b, one from column c. >> julian, trying to discern people's christianity and level and extent of christianity is a dangerous place to be. >> yeah, he's a cafeteria colostomy. >> knock knock

it's unfortunate julian bond said that.der with a very -- he's misunderstanding the nature of the groups involved and to make statements about membership lists is troubling coming from someone who understand the struggle. >> megyn: he said something about the irs behaved in a heavy-handed manner but he's got to love for the tea party, he believes they're racist, overtly political and the taliban of american politics. i'll leave it at that. thank you. >>> still ahead, we're going to be joined by britt brit hume who is going to react to this news. we have benghazi and the white house saying this business about the talking points is a side show and everybody's trying to politic size. the irs, has a crime been committed? who's getting fired, anybody? what about the d.o.j. probing into reporters? cell phone calls and home phone calls. think it can't happen to you? brit's next. tony used priceline to book this 4 star hotel. tell 'em why. free breakfast with express deals, you can save big and find a hotel with free breakfast with

. >> julian bond's statements about george w. bush in his opposition to the war, that was in the irs letter that went to the naacp. >> okay. thank you, joy. i think everybody understands what you said. jenny, as well. people at home are going to make a judgment about this. two wrongs don't make a wrong. thank you very much, jenny beth. joy, as always. i agree with you, mostly. up next -- of course you're right. especially about the naacp. >>> up next, turns out there are a few things republicans and democrats actually agree on. coming up on the sideshow. and this is "hardball." the place for politics. my mantra? trust your instincts to make the call. to treat my low testosterone, my doctor and i went with axiron, the only underarm low t treatment. axiron can restore t levels to normal in about 2 weeks in most men. axiron is not for use in women or anyone younger than 18 or men with prostate or breast cancer. women, especially those who are or who may become pregnant and children should avoid contact where axiron is applied as une

learning that some we're still justifying targeting tea party groups and the name of civil rights, julian bondaid on another news network this about going after tea party groups. i want your reaction to this. >> i think it's entirely legitimate to look at the tea party. i mean, they're a group of people who are admittedly racist, who are overtly political, who tried as best they can to harm president obama in every way they can. >> neil: what do you think of that? >> well, neil, first of all, admittedly racist? i don't know where they get that from 'cause none of them are racist and we have members of all races in our group. but that's really not the point here. the point is, we're just regular folks who want our voices heard. we're tired of watching the lobbyists and the special interests up there funnel their money and buy their way to have whatever they have. we just wanted to gather, have our voices heard and educate our fellow citizens about the issues. we went to the attorneys about this and said, how do we do this legally? we didn't ask for this. we didn't want to get involved with the

. >> julian bond's statements about george w.in his opposition to the war, that was in the irs letter that went to the naacp. >> okay. thank you, joy. i think everybody understands what you said. jenny, as well. people at home are going to make a judgment about this. two wrongs don't make a wrong. thank you very much, jenny beth. joy, as always. i agree with you, mostly. up next -- of course you're right. especially about the naacp. >>> up next, turns out there are a few things republicans and democrats actually agree on. coming up on the sideshow. and this is "hardball." the place for politics. leadership. these are skills we see in great actors and great teachers, which america will need more of because in the next decade, over a million teachers will retire. you have what it takes to be a teacher. the more you know. some brokerage firms are. but way too many aren't. why? because selling their funds makes them more money. which makes you wonder -- isn't that a conflict? search "proprietary mutual funds." yikes! then go to e-tra

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>> they went after julian bond at one point. >> yes. when he was at the naacp. "usa today" piece said the irs fwagave lib rams a paserals. they didn't give them a pass. they treated them differently. >> suppose you discovered this was a reverse case under a right wing administration. >> you'd want an investigation. we've had one investigation already. the inspector general of the treasury the president said in the report that came out a couple days ago, he said that there was no evidence that he found of outside intervention from the irs. so that means the white house wasn't involved. >> carney said that the other day, by the way, authoritati authoritatively. here's the politics. house speaker john boehner today said he wants more than just resignations. let's take a listen to what boehner has to say. he is loaded for bear here. >> the irs has admitted to targeting conservatives. even if the white house continues to be stuck on the word "if." now, my question isn't about who's going to resign. my question is, who's going to jail over this scandal? >> okay. there

. >> julian bond's statements about george w.ush in his opposition to the war, that was in the irs letter that went to the naacp. >> okay. thank you, joy. i think everybody understands what you said. jenny, as well. people at home are going to make a judgment about this. two wrongs don't make a wrong. thank you very much, jenny beth. joy, as always. i agree with you, mostly. up next -- of course you're right. especially about the naacp. >>> up next, turns out there are a few things republicans and democrats actually agree on. coming up on the sideshow. and this is "hardball." the place for politics. ♪ [ male announcer ] start with a dodge dart. now give it a "tiger shark" engine and 41 mpg. good. now add some of this. and that. definitely him. and her. a little more of her. perfect. time out. how we doin'? [ car accelerating ] okay, let's take it up a notch. give it a heap of this, one of those and that. got anything with grappling hooks and a plane? [ explosions ] yeah, that'll work. ♪ our seafood dinner for two for just 25 doll

that have this strong as we were ordered to be very very careful yes now what did the chairman julian bond then chairman say today what happened with us was different but go after these groups precisely because they are there conservative that kind of hypocrisy we did not exhibit and we continue not to exhibit and then point is that the very reason that nonprofit groups were banned from political activity in the first place is because there were right wing organizations in the one nine hundred fifty s. funneling money into trying to defeat l.b.j. this is a long running history is part of that has to do with the other side of citizens united the eight to one not going into effect and we can blame whoever we want citizens united every it's the bogeyman right now of the left but it's a lot less potent as everybody would miss if the eight to one side not the five four side they created the h one the transparency you get the transparency in there and a lot of the times the citizens united ok really dissipate so horace don't you think that these organizations better social welfare organizations

it not only was produced by the museum but it does have and paul spoke of julian bond who is producing the forward and dr. dyson has an essay in it and taken by itself it's really a wonderful commemoration and defend by itself moving it forward as paul did at the end of his talk. it's truly an example of how a book can both be a catalyst, something beautiful in itself and if you will and call to action to get the spirit of the event and the spirit of the best kind of collaborative publishing, publication event and is burned us that this was a wonderful collaborative event on the part of many people at the library of congress and in the publishing world. so, before i call you out to get your book, get it signed, meet each other and go down to the photograph division between 1:00 and 2:00 and this wonderful gift to the library of congress. let's give our speakers and for not another round of applause. [applause] >> john borling is a highly decorated air force major general who has served worldwide in high-level command and staff positions. fighter pilot who graduate from the air force ac

it not only was produced by the museum but it does have and paul spoke of julian bond who is producing the forward and dr. dyson has an essay in it and taken by itself it's really a wonderful commemoration and defend by itself moving it forward as paul did at the end of his talk. it's truly an example of how a book can both be a catalyst, something beautiful in itself and if you will and call to action to get the spirit of the event and the spirit of the best kind of collaborative publishing, publication event and is burned us that this was a wonderful collaborative event on the part of many people at the library of congress and in the publishing world. so, before i call you out to get your book, get it signed, meet each other and go down to the photograph division between 1:00 and 2:00 and this wonderful gift to the library of congress. let's give our speakers and for not another round of applause. [applause] [applause] >> he next retired major general john borling shares his experiences and the poetry he mentally composed and memorized during his six and a half years as a prisoner of

it not only was produced by the museum but it does have and paul spoke of julian bond who is producinghe forward and dr. dyson has an essay in it and taken by itself it's really a wonderful commemoration and defend by itself moving it forward as paul did at the end of his talk. it's truly an example of how a book can both be a catalyst, something beautiful in itself and if you will and call to action to get the spirit of the event and the spirit of the best kind of collaborative publishing, publication event and is burned us that this was a wonderful collaborative event on the part of many people at the library of congress and in the publishing world. so, before i call you out to get your book, get it signed, meet each other and go down to the photograph division between 1:00 and 2:00 and this wonderful gift to the library of congress. let's give our speakers and for not another round of applause. [applause] >> driven by this insert key at times but i do not differ boxes and two are at war with each other. they were inimical to each other. someone who is religious is not rational. it i

if i quote julian bond, the former head of the naacp, he calls the tea party the taliban of american politics. the taliban of american politics. i would suggest to you that they are exactly opposite that and the actions of the american people are more in keeping with the taliban-like tactics. these folks are continually ridiculed for being, oh, opposed to government intrusion in their lives and worrying about conspiracies and what the government's -- what kind of personal things about them the government is looking into and what they're doing with it and it's all very conspiratorial and they're seen as kind of cooky back jobs. apparently they're right. -- cookey whack jobs. apparently they're right. who knew? a director in the i.r.s. fast tracked an aply pation for the president's half brother. it took one month. meanwhile, 27 months went by with organizations with the name tea party or patriot couldn't receive the same consideration. did front line employees do this? i've got to question that. it just doesn't add up and again, day by day we hear more and more. the first thing that c

auditing just because the head of the criticized julian bond criticized bush for not coming to speakind the curtains. remember, he hid when the leaders of the naacp came to see him? >> behind the drapes. >> i'm not here. it's just my shoes oops. >> stephanie: public interest watch who received 97% of their funds from exxon mobil managed to get the i.r.s. to open an investigation into greenpeace. remember they blamed greenpeace for the bp oil spill. can't remember why now. [ scooby-doo's "huh?" ] because they have submarines. probably blew that up themselves. >> because they want to poison the oceans because -- >> that's greenpeace's goal. >> stephanie: mike in verg, you're on "the stephanie miller show." hi mike. >> caller: i'm a conservative and you're right most of this stuff is politically motivated. and it is on both sides. it has been going on for years. >> stephanie: right. >> caller: but i think the guy that made the comment awhile ago about the i.r.s. needs to investigate the tea parties and conservatives, he should be able to back that up and tell us why. >> stephanie: becau

julian bond, the former chair of the naacp, oprah, they all gave these eloquent speeches, and they had it's often more interesting to be. i talked to a young student and said i won't be in class today, i'm going to get an education. [laughter] so the story that is told, you know, she sits down in the bus, refuses to get up when asked to do so by a white bus driver, refuses to get up for a white passenger and in so doing stands up for everyone. when one person so pressed, we are all oppressed. she refused to get up. is she launches the modern day civil rights movement. a few days later she goes to court, and the montgomery association chooses as their leader a young minister who's just come into town, martin king. and a year later a supreme court decision, the bus boycott wearing down the city of montgomery, and the transportation system of montgomery is she grated. so -- is integrated. so what did the media get it wrong? i remember when we came down to washington, i remember the networks that day. cnn, actually, it was a story that they did. they said rosa parks was a tired seam stress