for more now i'm joined by aviation expert julian bray julian some initial details are starting to come in about the final moments of the crash from what you're hearing what do you make of the possible cause that could have could have led to this accident. as you say the information is coming in your own report says that the tile touched the runway twice on takeoff and this is rather disturbing because either that could be pilots are all there might be some of the actual control system not a fork or 100 is a it's a good old course and widely used in africa but company itself went out of business during the ninety's but there are many well there's hundreds of these aircrafts do in daily use and so they are maintained places and maintained very well in other places not so well but also it's the training of the pilots as well that you have to look at it. you mention that there are these planes are in service all around the world can you tell us more about their safety record and also this airline in particular what do you know about the airline that was operating near a plane. well the air

our let's get you more on this want to turn now to aviation specialist julian bray he joins us from the u.k. a very good day mr brit because excel flight was carrying 93 passengers and 5 crew sadly 12 people were killed in the crash but what is so remarkable that all of the other passengers just walked away from the from the wreckage so to speak how is that possible. yes gravely and it's interesting because the front end of the aircraft separates did not seek off it she went into the side of this building and the rear tile section also separated leaving the hole in the middle intact and so people were actually able to walk off that particular aircraft another thing about the fokker of course is that it has 2 engines and their right are the real of the aircraft and this is to be relevant because there was no fire involved in this crash it came down it spits out unfortunately some people died but it didn't catch fine all right so that was kind of the saving grace for those passengers you didn't make it out alive i understand now the black the plane's black box recorders have been located

well for more on boeing's misfortune i'm joined tonight by julian bray he's an expert in security he joins me tonight from cambridge in the u.k. it's good to see you again you have been tweeting throughout the day that this suspension will become permanent why do you think. it's quite good eating but it's quite simple there's a whole supply chain behind this production this means a component to live the just in time knowing doesn't carry any stock and all these components programmed into the production so if they go into council production it means that everybody in the supply chain and there are thousands of manufacturers building various components for this aircraft they will be very seriously. disadvantaged shall we say some make those rules on businesses make may close and some component may not be made again i mean well what you're predicting is catastrophic for boeing these 737 max is its best selling airplane is there an aircraft that could suddenly come in and take the place of the 737 minutes hang on a minute max might be the best selling aircraft but if it can't fly what ha

well earlier we asked if a specialist said julian bray about the safety record of the airline in the plane involved both talk of $100.00 they actually ceased to mate these in the mid ninety's the company went bust and various assets were sold off to other people and there is talk of says in company that actually controls are so the thing of the remaining aircraft so i'm not too worried about that i think the aircraft would be maintained to a certain level otherwise it wouldn't get certified they wouldn't certified it would be taken out of service rather like the max a in the extends a boeing or going through the moment if it doesn't meet certain requirements it's not going to fly what i am concerned about is that when it was taking off people have been say that the tail hit the runway a couple of times now to me that was suggest that it wasn't loaded properly there's quite a lot of people on board think it takes about $120.00 tops so they do $100.00 souls on board plus all the luggage it's a holiday period now if the luggage isn't stowed properly and the loading of the aircraft isn't