and then nev campbell is doing "scream 6" and julian emanuel is here as well, and our guest host for e hour. you've been sitting here, laughing, listening, all this stuff, julian. is 21,000 next? some day? next in 2017? >> the bull market will not end in '17 in our view. you could pause here, no question about it. we have come a long way, but you can't down play the importance psychologically of hitting 20,0 20,000. the investor is -- tends to be the boomer and gen-x knows the millennials are not invested yet. but it's an important milestone. >> that's important key. even you would have to admit that, andrew, millennials at this point have never seen an exciting stock market really. some day, if it gets exciting enough, years ago when you get in a cab and the guy would say do you own any excite.com or geo cities, the day will come where the guy with the man bun is talking about -- >> that's not how -- at the moment that's not how people are investing. >> no. i know. >> the question is when and if they do come back, are they going to be talking about an individual stock or will they be