let's get the flip side, julian epstein, part of the council during bill clinton's impeachment. advisor to hillary clinton. if we add in her meetings with foreign dignitaries and government officials, and if, in fact, the number of meetings is a universe of 1700, the fact remains that 85 people who were big donors to the clinton foundation had their access to her facilitated by virtue of that relationship. isn't that in and of itself is a problem? >> i don't think any of the facts show that, michael. i think that there in all of the a.p. reporting there is no suggestion whatsoever that any of the meetings that secretary clinton had with private interests, whether donors or not donors, were somehow inappropriate. and i think your previous guest mr. schweizer is clearly interested in selling a lot of books. but like a lot of critics of hillary clinton his arguments are half-baked and he's unable to back them up with serious legal analysis whatsoever. he calls for an independent council, says ethics violations, you know in all your discussion with him he was unable to cite a single

author of the upcoming book clean house, exposing our government secrets and lies and from miami, julian epsteinatic strategist. now, julian, you heard former president clinton saying if hillary wins we are going to make major changes to the foundation. why not now? >> because she is not in a position of official capacity right now. if she becomes an elected official, namely president of the united states, then you have a potential for a conflict of interest. >> it's not a conflict now, julian? you don't think any of the stuff -- >> -- she is not a public official right now. >> she was. >> she is not a public official. >> on 9/19 she was a public official and doing business with both the clinton foundation and stacy. >> anstacy -- and state. >> there were clear rules negotiation laid out between the white house and clinton foundation what rules would govern that conduct. nobody, nobody, nobody, not tom, not anybody else. >> i don't want to get to those. i want to take issue with what you just said the obama administration recommended that hillary clinton set up an advisory board. guess who heade

joining us for national in washington is julian epstein, an attorney and democratic strategist, and hereudio, kristin tate, conservative columnist and author of the new book "government gone wild." we sure have a lot of that. julian, if donald trump had a foundation, and it's august and he's running for president, and the russians are funneling millions of dollars into the donald trump foundation, would you have a problem with that? >> well, yeah. and i think the difference here is that the clinton foundation, the donors are public. in the case of donald trump, he does not disclose his extensive ties with russia in the same way paul manafort's advertities wer >> so you think she doesn't have to disclose? >> in the case of the clinton foundation, you have extensive disclosure. in the case of donald trump, you have what his son says are extensive russian ties. >> julian, i want to get you on the record. you would be okay with russian money, publicly disclosed, pouring into a donald trump foundation on the eve of a presidential election? >> well, when you say russian money, money from the r

julie epstein an attorney and democratic strategist and here in studio kristin tate, a conservative columnist and author of the new book. "government gone wild." we sure have a lot of that. julian donald trump had a foundation and it's august and he is running for president, and the russians are funneling millions of dollars into the donald trump foundation would you have a problem with that? >> yeah. >> what is the difference. >> the difference is the clinton foundation the donors are public. in the case of donald trump he does not disclose his extensive ties with russia in the same paul manafort. >> you would be okay that the russians disclosed they were donating millions of dollars? >> i think disclosure is first. and i think at least in the case of the clinton foundation you have extensive disclosure. in the case of donald trump, you have got even what his son has admitted. extensive financial ties and the changing of the republican platform position in favor of the russians. >> julian, i want to get you "on the record. can you get you on the record? you would be okay with russian money, publicly dishossed pouring in to a donald trump foundation on the eve of a presidential