chen research fellow at stanford's hoover institution and in washington democratic strategist julian epstein who served as chief minority counsel to the house judiciary committee a former staff director of the government oversight and reform committee julian where they make of republican lawmakers another trump supporters of stepping up attacks on the f.b.i. questioning their credibility and objectivity and suggesting there is a conspiracy in the eye to oust the president. what do you think of that you know i think it's a campaign of deflection and mr action i mean i think that the republicans tried to do this on the steel dossier the famous dossier that the backgrounding on trump during the election and then it was discovered that it was a marco rubio a republican an issue investigation by this private organization and they tried to refer steele for a criminal prosecution the democrats put out the testimony of. fusion g.p.s. and that kind of dissipated quickly there is now this new question about whether f.b.i. agents were sending each other to f.b.i. agents that were involved in the invest

chan research fellow at stanford's hoover institution and in washington democratic strategist julian epstein to save just chief minority counsel to the house judiciary committee a former staff director of the government oversight and reform committee julian were to make of republican lawmakers another trump supporters of stepping up attacks on the f.b.i. questioning their credibility and objectivity and suggesting there is a conspiracy in the f.b.i. to oust the president. what do you think of that you know i think it's a campaign of deflection and mr action i mean i think that the republicans tried to do this on the steel dossier the famous dossier that the backgrounding on trump during the election and then it was discovered that it was a marco rubio a republican an issue investigation by this private organization then they tried to refer steele for a criminal prosecution the democrats put out the testimony of. fusion g.p.s. and that kind of dissipated quickly there is now this new question about whether f.b.i. agents were sending each other to f.b.i. agents that were involved in the invest

presidential campaigns of marco rubio and mitt romney and in washington democratic strategist julian epstein he said just chief minority counsel to the house judiciary committee and is a former staff director of the government oversight and reform committee he's. gentleman thank you for being with us what's your takeaway from the government shutdown lanny what do you what do you see the result. well you know larry we're stuck in this really unfortunate cycle of lurching from continuing resolution to continuing resolution without any real long term. solution inside i think unfortunately in this particular situation a little bit a pox on both their houses type feeling i think for many americans for the democrats i think the challenge was it's not entirely clear what they got out of the two days of the shutdown they got some assurances maybe that they'll be discussion on immigration but at the end of the day it seems to me that this was a much ado about nothing julian yeah i think he has it pretty much right and i think he was charitable towards the democrats i think if you look back at the gov

julian epstein, weigh in on that.aw your reaction similar to mine from that last response. >> yeah, whether he used the s-hole comment or not, i think this is kind of reinforced the idea that this is just a childlike, unmanageable figure in the white house, and it's fed into that narrative, which is i think very negative for the republicans heading into the midterms. i think secondly, there is a wing of the republican party that doesn't care if he uses comments that offend an entire continent and two countries, but there's a wing that does, and the wing that does i think is the more responsible wing of the republican party. it is just on so many levels, it is just so hurtful to this country to be insulting an entire continent that's so important to us in the fight against terrorism and on so many other levels. politically, this is i think very negative for the republican party because it's shifted more leverage to the democrats. the republicans need daca much more than the democrats do. a federal court has blocked tru