. >> democratic consultant julian epstein and fox news contributor and research fellow at the hoover institution, kieran skinner. julian, it struck me that j.d. vance was particularly strong on. the border, which is obviously an issue that both governor walz and vice president harris have a difficult time talking about because of what has happened over the last three and a half years. >> well, he was very good on border and the polls have shown anywhere between 70 and 80% of voters do not like what biden and harris have done with respect to open borders. now, the democratic refrain that is you could support the bipartisan lankford legislation and that sort of they're out on this. i think that's going sort of a rabbit hole for the democrats. and i have advised publicly written about this, as you know, jonathan, but they shouldn't be making that argument because. >> i think it's sort of an empty argument given that that legislation would allow two and a half million migrants per year, which is about the number of migrants that are coming in right now. and the president has the inherent

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. >> joining us now, our political panel, democratic consultant julian epstein. as well as fox news contributor and visiting fellow at the heritage foundation, karen skinner. great to see you both. we all are always so grateful to have you with us at these times of great import and historical import. >> before we get to the debate ,guys would love to get your thoughts on what comes next in the middle east. that's a huge question, of course. >> but julian, let me come to you first. where do you think we go from here? >> well, i think the first thing is that the biden administration has to give its unconditional support for whatever israel decides it needs to do. the policy of diplomacy and de-escalation has failed. hamas has killed us. >> the u.s. hostages, hezbollah has lobbed over 10,000 rockets into israel and the houthis have shut down the red sea. the biden administration policy of diplomacy and de-escalation. i think iran looks at that and sort of plays the biden administration, the west for fools. what israel should do right now, given that iran's rockets a

joining us now, our panel, democratic consultant julian epstein, as well as fox news contributor and research fellow at the hoover institution, skinner. great to have you both back. the julian, to you first. it struck me as i watched the debate that j.d. vance was very effective in making the argument that i think a lot of republicans would have liked see a less distracted donald trump make in the presidential debate that kamala harris has had three and a half years to push the policy. she now says she will instigate to fix the problems that we've witnessed over the last three and a half years. j.d. vance seemed to make that point repeatedly and make it well. >> julian. i think he did. >> i think he missed a couple of important data points. i mean he made a reasonably good case on the economy, the trump economy, of course, was 1.4% inflation, 3.4% unemployment, pre-covid. and the economy is growing at 4.1%. >> when he left office, i think didn't ask the key question, which i can't understand why republicans aren't asking are you better off now than you were four years ago? that is sor