we have the moral high road, and keep that right hoed. >> woodruff: julian zelizer, are you watchings as well? you have written about this a great deal. do you see the country coming together in any regard at this point? or do we still have a long way to go before that happens? >> we have a long way to go. we're in a very divisive, political moment right now, and one of the possibilities is the response to this is not to find solutions to the problems of policing that we've seen but to move in a very different direction. 1968, richard nixon pushed the country toward la law and order rather than reforming the criminal justice system, and there is a possibility we see the same thing happening today. so i think the divisions are real, deep, and i think it's not unlike some of what we saw in the late '60s. >> woodruff: reverend jackson. it's not just policing poverty. we would ask for a white house conference on policing but also on poverty, the plan for reconstruction. changing -- you need a shoe that fits the foot. our poverty is twice the national average, number one in mortality and