, but he is written about as a civil rights eater, and also kirsten gillibrand writes about julianna margulies about predicting -- protecting children from sexual assault. or he often it may have been something that made them rich or powerful, but it is what they have done with the wealth, the same, the power, the influence, in some field other than where they started. charlie: and then where do you choose who writes about them? for example, colin powell. steve jobs's widow writes about hillary clinton. hillary clinton writes about elizabeth warren. nancy gibbs having her right about elizabeth born may have been a little bit mischievous. charlie: oh, no, not you. nancy gibbs: sometimes we ask rivals to write about one another, partly because they are in the best position to appreciate them, so we asked antonin scalia to write about ruth bader ginsburg. they are friends. they are not ideological allies and yet he writes about the role she plays within that set of justices to sharpen everyone's opinions, everyone's thinking and that is the kind of influence i think is really fascinating to watch