he talks with author and educate are julianne malveaux. >> kenneth walsh, this book, "family of freedom" is just a fascinating piece of work. i really enjoyed it and was envious of you. you are talking about african-americans in the white house both as members of the cabinet but also as servers, enslaved people. >> right. >> talk a little bit what motivated you to do this. >> there were a couple of things as a white house correspondent i covered the white house since 1986 full-time, you are looking for ways to see the president and getting behind the curtain and public relations and so on so tee what they were really like. i've written four other books. what i tried to do is find some prism to look at them through to find something different. >> if i might say you really have. your book about the presidential retreats is fascinating because it really is, like you're looking at the presidency with something that people wouldn't pick up. >> thank you. and, in this case i thought there was a, very important and fascinating issue of race that's been with us from the very beginning in the un